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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Why not?
    My Great State of Texas, Trump won 56 to 42.
    Cruz beat Allred 53 to 44, a 2% difference of people who voted D for Senator, but not for Harris. In my Bexar County, it was 54% Harris, 56.7% Allred, a 2.7% split. There was also a 2% difference in Virginia, where Trump was doing surprisingly well at the beginning.

    But if I look quickly at the swing states with Harris (D) vs Senator X (D)…

    NV: Harris 47.5% (loss), Rosen 47.9% (win).

    AZ: Harris, 46.6% (loss), Gallogo, 50% (win).

    WI: Harris 48.8% (loss), Baldwin 49.4% (win)

    MI: Harris 48.3% (Loss), Slotkin 48.6% (win)

    PA: Harris 48.4% (Loss), Casey 48.4% (Not yet called, but he's 40,000 votes behind at 98%)

    So basically had Harris done as well in the swing states as her party's senators, she'd be in the White House next year. You can argue if spreads of 0.3% to 3.4% are "widespread", but it was 'enough in enough states'. There is, however, a big caveat, in that as I look at the raw numbers, there were more people who voted for President that did not vote for Senator than there were the other way around. So it's entirely possible that there were no split ticket votes at all, and the difference is that the Republican senate candidates were even less energizing than the Democrat ones, but I don't know if there is any way of telling where the actual changeover point is.

    None of the swing states were voting for governor this year, no comparisons to make.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,265 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Guy on CNN actually suggest this lmao

    https://x.com/Scentofawoman10/status/1855744019935965545



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Field east


    you never mentioned about the number of shootings - not to mention the number of mass shootings and especially in schools. My family spent 3 months in Orlando three years ago and were shocked at the number of experiences they had with regards to their safety. Eg advised not to talk to a driver in slow moving /stalled traffic and ask for directions. The local schools in well to do /middle class areas doing weekly exercises in case there is a ‘prowler’ on the premises - immediately go under your desks, etc, etc,. There is no unemployment assistance once you lose your job - you are on your own



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,893 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Post-mortem of Trump campaign shows his manager [now his W/House COS] and team put a massive one over the Dems using Trump's belligerent speaking to hide her work. Smoke and mirrors on a massive scale. The winner takes it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Us outsiders looking in are a bit mystified with Americans complaining about the cost of food given they are the most obese nation in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,306 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Bad food is cheap, healthy food can be expensive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    My father-in-law was one of them, this was from a video call last week after the election…

    "We were getting our gas from Canada, then the Democrats cut that off. Now we're importing it from terrorists in Argentina. Trump will reopen the Canadian pipeline".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭Cordell


    there is a thick vein of intense stupidity in the US

    Not just in the US and not just on the MAGA side. Do you think people who voted for Kamala hoping for a change and for the things to get better are any smarter that those who voted for Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Do you think people who voted for Kamala hoping for a change and for the things to get better are any smarter that those who voted for Trump

    Depends on how you define change?

    If people voted on the economy and based that vote on the policies of both candidates and voted Harris then that voter is more informed. Does that equate to smarter?

    If a Trump voter believed America has the worst economy in history and they think Trumps Tariffs on Chiiiiina!, are going to make their lives better, then they are misinformed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeah, once you rub away the sliver of veneer that coats America you find that it's not the "greatest country on earth" for an awful lot of people that live there. When I was there first in the 90's I got chatting to a lad that lived beside my aunt. He was working three jobs to make ends meet for him, the wife and kid. His full time day job, a part time evening job and he was also the super in his building. The guy looked he was going to die in his 30's.

    I had toyed with the idea of moving there in a serious way. But changed my mind after having talked to a few people. My mind hasn't been changed back in that time and I don't regret for a single second that I made a firm decision to stay in Ireland. Having been back and forth over the years to see family and with work, I can't say that the veneer ever got put back on again.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭crusd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    On the face of it, it looks odd. But it probably just comes down to the fact that a lot of people just don't like her, even though they don't know her. I said back before she got the nod when Biden stepped down, she just comes off as too abrasive and unlikeable for a lot of folk, and I'd reckon that the bulk of the 100,000,000 people who didn't even turn up to vote were Democrat voters explaining why the numbers were down on last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    While that is very true, those same fat reserves on the body could feasible allow a person to skip food a few days here and there.

    Fat, is essentially stored energy.

    Fats are the slowest source of energy but the most energy-efficient form of food. Each gram of fat supplies the body with about 9 calories, more than twice that supplied by proteins or carbohydrates. Because fats are such an efficient form of energy, the body stores any excess energy as fat.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Are they still going on about how Trump will usher in Project 2025, end Democracy and become Fascist leader of The US for life or have they dropped that one already?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Would be madness. She would an equally useless president as she was candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    If that is what it means to be opposed to the pseudo religious cult of neo-conservatism then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    That seems to be over. Musk is this term's Steve Bannon as well. Great "fear" about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I was there during Covid, and a guy I knew was telling me how his company immediately (within 2 weeks) of shutdown in March of 2020 looked to implement cost cutting measures. And they were a tech focused company working in the data handling and security space so they were typically dealing with very high value client companies including banks, dept stores etc. So not a small outlet by any stretch.

    The staff met and had a vote to see if costs would be achieved through a company wide pay-cut of 10%, or a head count reduction of 10%. They voted for the head count reduction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The polls stated Trump was far more unlikeable but they voted for him anyway.

    Harris losing is directly attributed to the likeability of Biden, which was poor.

    The reasons for that are as strange as they are confusing.

    The charge now largely coming from some Democrats is Joe abandoned the working class.

    But it doesn't stack up when weighed against reality of what Biden did for the Unions and actually growing manufacturing jobs. Americas economy by every single metric is in A territory.

    Maybe a large amount of the ones who stayed away were actually Biden supporters who were annoyed that he didn't run again. A protest non vote, which essentially is a vote for Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I wouldn't say it's over. I never bought into the idea Trump would try extend his rule past the four years anyway. But the likes of Project 2025 and changes to voting, gerrymandering etc which could greatly and unfairly benefit the GOP to help them in the future, as well as erosion of affordable healthcare, public education etc…. Yes, that's very much still something the US should be fearful of now that Trump has been elected.

    But there'll be very little action on any of that until late January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's all very interesting. If you're into these sort of things.

    I don't buy that Biden was particularly unpopular. I mean, I can see it amongst the 'My Gas is too high' crowd and definitely amongst the muslim population, so maybe that was enough to swing things, but I think he's probably been one of the less divisive presidents of the last 20 years. Maybe I'm completely wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,306 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Thank you for your lesson in nutrition.

    I honestly did not know that fat was just stored energy. I really thought it was just something people cultivated so they can later sell as lip/butt fillers 🙄

    Seriously though, your solution to expensive food is for people to skip meals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The fat content is not what makes people gain weight. That's down to the carb level a given food source will have and a lot of food that we eat is just pure carbs, especially fast/junk food which are heavily calorific. It satisfies quickly, but you're often hungry again a short time after. And coupled with a less active lifestyle that a lot of people have nowadays, gaining a lot of weight becomes very easy because they don't burn off the calories.

    People are wrongly petrified with the fat content of a given foodstuff, but fail to look at the "energy" level that same foodstuff contains. A lot of food claims to be low in fat, but it's actually more calories than you'd need in a single meal.

    American food, especially, is usually very high in calories and the regulations on food production is a fraction of what it is over here. I remember asking my cousin why the bread over there tasted so sweet. He said it's because it's laced with sugars. A typical slice of white bread this side of the pond will provide you with about 80 to 85 calories. Over there, it could well north of 100.

    A slice of pizza in New York could contain around 500 calories. That's a quarter of a woman's calorie intake a day and a fifth of a man's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭randd1


    It died down almost as quick as the "rigged elections" speak as soon as it looked like Trump was winning.

    The different being of course that "rigged elections" was a figment of Trump's imagination, while Project 2025 is very real, and could well start be implemented in the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭yagan


    Sweet bread is one of my abiding memories from the time I lived there. Their chocolate was terrible too.

    Back then food was cheap but awful, now i hear it's expensive but still awful. The last time I was there on a holiday I think I mostly stuck to sushi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭Cordell


    In this case I define change as something that is not a continuation of the current administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the stick and decided to run a marathon relay with it.

    I am not suggesting that people do this, I honestly didn't think I would have to write something so bleeding obvious. I was merely commenting, how it could be a last ditch attempt at getting through a difficulty time.

    Hope that helps clear up your confusion.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Totally, fat has been given a bad reputation. Sugar and salt are the big things to look out for.

    Anyway, this is going off topic, so we should end it there.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



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