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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,744 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's absolutely no one who's genuinely an objective observer of political understanding that would consider the Democrat Party of America to be left wing. The only people who would accuse the Democrats of being "left wing" are those who are fully on the disant end of the right wing side of the aisle and that's only in an attempt to denigrate it to people who'd be perceptive to such denigration.

    The Democrat Party is a conservative organisation by any kind of European standard. They just have a lesser lean to the right than the current crop of Republican Party apparatchiks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There's a reason regimes like the Khmer Rouge and the Taliban targeted teachers. The decades long undermining of public education is just a more polite version



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭amandstu


    A little less polite now with the inclusion of the Trump Bible in the classroom.(Class for Comedy?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    How long before he’s trying to remove the two term limit? Republicans are in victory mode right now but medium term it’s hard to see where they go after him. It’s a cult of personality the party has fallen in behind but there’s only one of the lunatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭amandstu


    That is always what I assumed he would like to do (isn't that what Putin did?)

    If he got a pardon for life he mightn't bother (noone with any cop on would want that gig if it entailed any stress at the age he already is but he is a king sized prat so god only knows what he would like ideally)

    I don't know what method he could use for staying on if he couldn't engineer a "constutional" way.

    Maybe get a loyalist to stand in for him and rig the election?(like Medvedev in Russia)

    At his age you would think he would have better things to do but if he survives the next 4 years do his legal cases come back? (along with others he is sure to accumulate even if the SC has given him license to commit crimes in office)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,951 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Would love if he did, was successful, and Obama ran again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I think he'll be dead in the next 5 years. He has slowed down considerably, is definitely in cognitive decline and is overweight/obese.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,951 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    His brain is definitely faltering, and herein lies the main worry is that the really evil weasels around him will just use him for their own means. He doesn’t have enough backbone to stop them either, just use his fragile little ego and you’re good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The emergence if anti-vac rhetoric is a prime example of this.

    DDecades of evidence as to their positive benefits now the diseases they targeted are making a comeback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Landslide for Trump 312-226

    Impressive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Scary is the word I'd use.

    I mean, people had a choice between an old lying, cheating, sexual assault committing, racist, felon who tried to overturn the results of the last election after failing in the job; and a young intelligent, highly qualified and experienced candidate who is part of a successful administration.

    And They overwhelmingly chose the former.

    To me that's a scary indication of where America is at.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is 60 considered young these days?

    Harris is old enough to be my mother. I feel positively youthful after reading that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    yes 60 is young. The one positive of Trumps re- election is a real time demonstration of age just being a number. A real demonstration of the folly of attempting to categorize people by Age. One of life’s great falsehoods. The relationship between age and physical condition is very elastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yeah, it's all relative. When your competitor for a role is 78, anything under 70 is young. In fact, personally, I think Harris is close to the perfect age for the role.

    I always thought Obama was much too young for the role. His ability was lost to the Democratic party by him having ran, won and served two terms by the time he was 55. Since then, he's been a nice speaker, but his influence has largely been to antagonize conservatives at the memory of him having been President. Which doesn't tend to serve his party well.

    To see a politician as capable of him effectively sit on the sidelines for what could have been 10 additional years of effectiveness, still annoys me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    At least Kari Lake seems to have lost again.

    Wonder will trump hire her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭riddles


    He was a good speaker but didn't deliver on his objectives.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m sorry, but declaring 60 to be young is more indicative of Boards demographics than anything else. 60 is categorically not young. In fact, it’s generally perceived as one of the threshold ages for determining if a population is super-aged or not.

    However, I do agree that that there is not a direct correlation between age and vitality. From my standpoint, both Harris and Trump are both quite elderly people. Yet both, particularly Trump seem energetic and passionate, despite their, how shall I put this, advanced chronological states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    I can't recall, but wasn't he blocked by the Republicans controlling the other 2 branches of government? Making it very difficult to get changes made.

    Anyway, looks like the USA is about to get what they voted for. I wonder how long their jubilant mood will last.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    the far left woke brigade have completely taken over

    I stopped reading there to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The context of how 60 is young with respect to opponents in a race or current holders of the office has been fairly clearly laid out.

    I am in my mid 40's if it was a Boards demographic consideration, surely I wouldn't be referring to Harris as old.

    Or, how would you categorize Harris' age with respect to Trump's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,072 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yeah, I think that's fair to say.

    I think he himself would have benefitted from longer in the Senate before going for the top job and I also think the Democratic party would have done with his ability to communicate during that period.

    A bit like how they benefit from Buttigieg at the moment.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How do I see Harris’ age relative to Trump? Clearly, she’s younger. Yet in the grand scheme of things, they’re both senior citizens. In terms of projecting energy and vitality, real or illusionary, I don’t see a huge gulf between them.

    In terms of their ability to connect with people, Trump is clearly superior. Harris comes across as awkward and stiff. I suspect she’s fundamentally an introvert. Conversely, Trump has the ability to shoot the breeze with people in a seemingly natural manner. I wouldn’t underestimate the role that played in his landslide winning margin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    In terms of projecting energy and vitality, real or illusionary, I don’t see a huge gulf between them.

    Don't agree with this at all.

    I've never seen Trump project energy or vitality. But rather bluster and bravado.

    Think about the image of him walking down a slope or drinking water, that was during his first term! He's never bounded on to a stage or motivated people with actual fist pumping energy (outside of that single image from the assassination attempt which was notable for resilience rather than energy).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You might not agree with it, but clearly you’re out-of-alignment with the majority of the US electorate.

    Absolutely, the image after the assassination attempt projected defiance, but wow, what an iconic image. A blood soaked, elderly man picking himself up and having the tenacity to continue pushing forward like that.

    I feel like his detractors consistently underestimate his sheer relentlessness. By contrast, Harris is a very tame, milk toast character, who never really stood a chance in this election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Trump takes Arizona, completing a clean sweep of all the key swing states.

    It's interesting talking to friends in Ireland who were completely shocked by the Trump win. It seems many here were influenced by the intense media propaganda campaign here that promoted the Harris campaign and talked up her chances of winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You might not agree with it, but clearly you’re out-of-alignment with the majority of the US electorate.

    You, or I don't know what the motivations of the US electorate were for selecting Trump. I feel it's because of a prevalence of racism, sexism or ignorance that a sufficient number of them possess to some degree or another because they selected the candidate who is racist sexist and couldn't string a cogent policy sentence together during the campaign. You feel it's because they think he has an energy that he never displayed.

    I'm basing my view based on fact, you're basing yours based on opinion, which is fine, history is written by the victors so you won't be alone in this respect. C'est la vie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Depends who you talk to. Anyone who was following it closely knew it was close and Trump was the favourite.

    Most people in Ireland had little or no interest tbh.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Racism, sexism, and ignorance are prevalent across the US electorate? You believe this view to be fact? Persist in this way of thinking and you’ll be back in another four years lamenting that JD Vance is president and failing to comprehend how such an outcome could have materialized.

    Ultimately, you backed a weak, uninspiring candidate who failed to connect with or engage the US electorate. Frankly, her ability to construct a cogent sentence wasn’t particularly superior to that of her rival. The electorate weren’t convinced of her ability to tackle red letter issues.

    Fundamentally, the only legitimate fact here is that you called this election incorrectly. Branding large swathes of the electorate with sweeping pejoratives isn’t the right path forward. I suggest you treat this as a learning moment to reflect on why you got this so wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭jackboy


    You are focusing too much in Trump rather than looking at who he was up against. Harris was a vacuous candidate who reeked of fakeness.

    Every Democrat who claimed that Joe Biden did not have cognitive decline until one day they decided that he had were write offs. Bidens decline was so obvious that anyone who denied it were automatically exposed as lying frauds.



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