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SPHE Teacher's Interview - What Happens in the Classroom... - Mod Note Added to OP PLEASE READ

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm not confusing anything. It IS about sex education.

    What did you think it was about?



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have no idea who John McGuirk is, nor does ‘Alive’ rings any bells. I can make a guess at the types of genre of publication though, given your haste to ascribe them to my reading collection. Try harder next time.

    The bedrock of any school has to be academics. If you don’t understand that, I suspect your understanding of pedagogy is limited to say the least.

    My eldest daughter is 7. Her teacher is a recent college graduate and is 23/24 at most. Whilst she is an excellent primary school teacher, she is in no way more qualified to imbue my child with critical thinking skills, than me or my wife. We are involved parents, both personally and professionally successful, who are far more experienced, qualified, and frankly accountable for ensuring our children have the ability to probe, to learn, and to question, particularly if the material delivered is inappropriate or egregious in any way.

    Now you may feel comfortable outsourcing your parental responsibilities to a school, but that paradigm does not work for my or for many other families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Someone better tell curriculumonline.ie that they're doing a poor job of hiding what's taught to kids in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If she is a recent college graduate then yeah she is more qualified actually.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Clearly, you understand nothing about parenting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Given the fact this thread has one guy who pretty clearly has taught his child that being gay is wrong, parents don't always get it right.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who has taught his child that being gay is wrong? That’s a pretty significant assertion. I hope you have categorical evidence to back that up?

    The corollary to that argument is that teachers also don’t always get it right. Given some of the events that have occurred historically in Irish schools, I really hope you’re not suggesting that’s the case?

    On balance, parents know what’s best for their children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭purifol0


    You know for a "debunked" scandal, the SPHE curriculum contained a book that was literally anti-Irish written by a woman who literally works in the dept of education and was only taken off the shelves by public outrage.

    Neither the govt. nor the Dept Education comment on it until they absolutely had to, and even then no one took responsibility or was held accountable. The authors were never interviewed. Those that set the curriculum kept quiet.

    So, is it any wonder the public are sceptical. According to the main stream media, we should just shut up and stop being so *phobic and *ist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭csirl


    The inspectorate is completely toothless. The worst they can do is write a mildly critical report. The type of Principal or BOM that decides to deviate from the official DOE programme will just laugh at the inspectorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    It's beginning to sound that the new SPHE has just been thrown together by ideological activists without any gatekeeping. The new frontier being Gender Ideology, which is a full head-on on assault on the English language and our perception of biological reality, in favour of an ideology, based on a belief that everybody MUST buy into.

    Bobby Kardashian is a woman and must be referred referred to as she/her, and who is brave enough here to suggest otherwise?

    Gaslighting



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    7-year-olds will be learning basic numeracy, literacy and socialisation skills. We're talking about a secondary-school curriculum, where yes, kids absolutely should be taught critical thinking. Unless you're selling NFTs, crypto and conspiracy theories, obviously, then you want them dumb and believing what they "read" on instagram and tiktok.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,222 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'i know more about educating kids than someone who has received several years of professional training to be an educator' is not a stance everyone here will necessarily take at face value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭purifol0


    I've had several girlfriends who were teachers and the things they told me (and the whatsapp groups they're part of), show that the standards of teaching in Irish classrooms….vary.

    Next to that the training they recieve is moot since Irish colleges have become degree millls and class sizes are at their highest levels ever.

    It doesnt take a professional educator to know that 30+ kids in a class isn't conducive to learning.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The irony of you lecturing me on tech is laughable. I have an almost 20-year career in the industry. I can assure you that I am far better placed, than some semi-digitally literate teacher, to educate my children on the pros/cons of technology and how to interface with it. The same way, we as parents are best placed to equip our children with the tools they need to succeed in life.

    You may decide to outsource some of that to teachers of variable quality. Go right ahead. That model doesn’t work for my family or for those with whom we surround ourselves.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed. You don’t need to be privy to those WhatsApp groups to know that the standard of instruction varies wildly. Any parent with children going through the system understands that implicitly. I suspect some of those commenting here have no real world experience of parenting and navigating the vicissitudes of the education system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭purifol0


    You have no idea of how right you are. Seriously.

    My ex's school has another teacher who found out he could add €7.5k onto his salary if he also took on the position of school IT-guy. As most of the schools IT is handled by a third party MSP, he literally had nothing to do except authorize purchases. So the kids all got very expensive ipads, that hadn't been set up at all and are functionally the same as the ones you buy in a shop. All the classes have issues with them, and he isnt taking responsibility for that, just taking the money instead.

    Another bog standard incident of corruption in the public sector and it's sacred cows the Teachers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    >—- The point —>

    Your head.

    Crypto and NFTs are just an example. They both use the medium of "tech" to sell a get-rich-quick scheme. You might work in tech, sure. Grand. Are you also an expert on (an inexhaustive list) that would include: vaccines/anti-vax; anti-immigrant racist talking points, such as "The great replacement"; various religious and semi-religious cults; legitimate political positions, and how they compare to populist 'money grows on trees' policies; the right to access abortion; the freedom to marry the person of your choice; climate change, mitigation measures, and the "just transition"; and so on.

    In other words - are you going to tell your 7-y-o how to think; or how to think for herself?

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  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, no, I understood precisely the message you were trying to convey, albeit in an entirely inarticulate manner.

    I’m not an expert on all the topics you’ve enumerated, but what I do possess is the ability to learn, and to learn very rapidly. Let’s take one of your talking points above, immigration. I live in West Dublin and two of my children have already asked why certain women in the area wear hijabs. We’ve delved into their religious beliefs, as much as is possible with a five and seven year old and discussed concepts like legal vs. illegal and economic vs. asylum-seeking streams of inward migration. They’ll make up their own minds as they mature around the levels of inward migration that are sustainable for this country.

    Do you believe that a regular teacher is better equipped to discuss sensitive topics of this nature with my children? With respect, both my wife and I have significantly higher academic and professional credentials than the average teacher working in the Irish education system. My wife is teaching our daughter Irish because her teacher has openly admitted that her own Irish isn’t great. I’m teaching my kids a European language in which I am fluent, because it’s not offered in the school. Are you suggesting we should forego this as parents and devolve all responsibility to the school? It very much sounds that way.

    Oh, and don’t you worry about my 7 year thinking for herself. She’s as bright as a button and already is capable of coherence not common amongst the denizens of this site..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Your list is missing "using schools & the education system to disseminate propaganda to children".



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Parents teach their children their own beliefs. Teachers, for the most part, teach kids different beliefs and points of view. I always find it best for children to gather as much knowledge from as many different places as possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Good to hear that your daughter is doing well, but if your level of debate is ad hominem and putting words in my mouth, there's not any point in engaging further.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The idea of children learning 'critical thinking' skills at school is bizarre. For pretty much all of history schools have been propaganda camps. In Ireland they have slowly moved away from that but there is a way to go yet.

    You know a child's critical thinking is starting to develop when they question some of what they are taught at school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Gender identity is a belief, it's just a belief and nothing more. But how is it taught in SPHE? is it taught as a belief or a social reality that all school children must obey and adhere to?

    Jonny says he's he is now a girl called Shirley, and must be addressed as such in class, the school yard, and in the corridor. SPHE now back's up little Jonny assertion (that he was born in the wrong body) so that any child or teacher caught using male pronouns when addressing "Shirley" will be charged with misgendering, because everybody must now subscribe to the belief that Shirley is a girl, even if they're eyes and ears say otherwise.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,222 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I have a 25 year long career in the tech industry, which going by the above means I can pull rank on other's qualifications on the topic?

    But that 'i know better because...' approach seems a bit ironic given the topic at hand.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You know a child's young adult's critical thinking is starting to develop when they question some of what they are taught at school home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Have you got a point? Do you think school is an appropriate place to learn critical thinking skills?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Unlike the public sector, length of time in a profession means **** all. Drop your github or GTFO, better yet how many billions have you made in tech?

    This isnt a dig at you, merely a problem with qualifications and credentialism which is endemic in the public sector.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agreed. This back-and-forth is futile. We fundamentally disagree on the role of parents vs. schools in the development and formation of our children. You won’t be changing my mind.

    However, I do respect your opinion as a fellow parent. You know first-hand the trials and tribulations of this most crucial role. Despite disagreeing with you, I wish you well on the path that you and your family choose to pursue. I certainly place more stock in your view point than those of a child-free individual, interjecting with their ludicrous critique of a subject on which they have zero domain expertise.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    So they do learn critical thinking at school, is what you're saying 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Not quite😀. They exercise critical thinking at school and outside school



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