SPHE Teacher's Interview - What Happens in the Classroom... - Mod Note Added to OP PLEASE READ

tarvis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853702#Comment_122853702

people ARE being bullied-

nachouser

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suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853873#Comment_122853873

But they can, so why wouldn't they try to support those kids and teach others to respect them?

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853493#Comment_122853493

Intersex is an outdated term, it's a Difference in Sexual Development now, and people are still either male or female (albeit possibly with a DSD)

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853555#Comment_122853555

Don't suppose you'd care to answer the substantive question rather than avoiding it with a nitpick?

I wonder how many ranting about "gender ideology" here, have actually sat down and looked into the curriculum in any great detail?

From a source that isn't Gript.

Teaching kids how the think critically has been mentioned several times, when that skill is actually included as part of the SPHE curriculum.

There is a handy 12.5 minute presentation on what the course covers for parents on the NCCA website. Link is below.

The issues some here are getting all hot and bothered about, are only a very small part of a much more extensive curriculum overall.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/1017885825

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853517#Comment_122853517

non marching pronouns at my stage of life

I guarantee you, you've been using singular "they" for most of your life. It's standard English. Yes, really.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854163#Comment_122854163

I don't think it is? I've seen it used recently, including by intersex people, some of whom don't like the DSD term. But I'm open to correction on that.

Necro

Mod Warning:

I'm posting this one more time as I have had to hand out a few warnings for off topic posting AGAIN. They won't be 0 point warnings the next time so please READ this - it has been added to the OP so there is no excuse.

OK, this thread is getting very close to a train wreck. I had to go back and check the OP to see what it is about, because reading through it it's impossible to figure out the topic.

PLEASE stick to the topic, which is the SPHE curriculum. Bringing up the transgender topic for the umpteenth time is off topic and derails the discussion. We have more than one thread in CA that discuss the transgender topic. Any more of this and warnings/bans will follow.

Thank you all in advance for getting the discussion back on topic.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853750#Comment_122853750

Exactly!

A woman in work got married during the summer, and insisted that instead of calling her O'Driscoll - which she's been since she started there, over five years ago! - we now have to refer to her as McArdle. And would you believe, she insisted on her email address being changed, and everything!

How selfish, and clearly narcissistic! /s

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122837378#Comment_122837378

That's a fun spin on bullying.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854301#Comment_122854301

People disagreeing with you isn't bullying.

purifol0

Ahahaha. Good to see you stick up for the bully's in TENI who get paid to mansplain to actual lesbians that they're wrong they're to say they are attracted to actual women.

For folks that are unaware, the national weekend council has a man in its board, a trans woman who just so happens to be the head of TENI.

Actual Women on Twitter who have a problem with this are blocked by the NWCI because "trans women are women"...

Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction three posts above.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854730#Comment_122854730

A quick Google, NWCI members would have voted to choose her. So ya, they accept her and that's the most relevant point.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853096#Comment_122853096

But hold on here — what part of the "be respectful" and "be kind" parts would you say are OK to teach when it comes to trans people? I mean — would you directly tell your kids that they should proactively and at all times refuse to call a trans person their preferred pronoun?

You say you want criticial thinking — well — the fact is that trans people in the last few decades have started to emerge from the fringes of society and it is clear that, despite your misgivings as to their attitudes about themselves, they do actually exist and are therefore a real part of society. So if their existence is real then it's a worthy topic to be taught about and to learn about.

And by the way, I don't think the way it's all taught or expressed is always perfect. I think there are elements of it which often seem overindulgent, preachy or patronising — but my view on these things is that the world is better now than it was before for a lot of formerly ostracised and repressed people / identities, even if sometimes it can be a bit of a clumsy negotiation across society with imperfect outcomes and offshoots.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853873#Comment_122853873

Getting age appropriate education on the existence of trans people doesn't stop kids being kids. It stops kids being bullied for being trans.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853646#Comment_122853646

At its simplest level, yes, it's an anti bullying policy. What problem arises from giving kids age appropriate education on the existence of trans people?

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122855478#Comment_122855478

But kids can only be "trans" if you believe in transgender ideology. In reality there is no such thing as an actual trans child, who will have other issues bypassed .. in favour of being affirmed as Trans by those who believe.

Yes of course in the last few years children identifying as "trans" has become a thing, an issue, a talking point, as the ideology has evolved to the point where it's now in the Irish school curriculum for the first time ever. Hotly contested and rejected by many parents I may add !!

Social contagion by way of smart devices is the primary driver for children to be introduced into the whole concept of (being assigned a body that may not correspond to the person they really are), this concept only works if the child has been introduced to gender identity - Teachers are now also trained to believe and to affirm children into the belief system which must be believed & obeyed.

Just imagine REELING IN THE YEARS in twenty years time and looking back on this chapter with disbelief thinking, what was all that about ?

Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction

Necro

Mod: You've all been told repeatedly to stop talking about the transgender topic, I have once again deleted posts instead of issuing warnings. Hamsterchops can't reply at the moment so don't quote their posts.

AndrewJRenko

The idea that 'there are no trans children' is bizarre, and points clearly to the huge importance of covering these issues in the school curriculum. Anyone who's actually talked to trans people will have heard 'I knew when I was five' or similar stories. Louis Theroux's documentary showed kids telling these stories.

The only alternative would be that trans people suddenly evolve overnight on their eighteenth birthday, or worse, that there are no trans people.

There ARE trans kids. The only question is whether they are comfortable to be open and honest about their situation, or feel obliged to hide such a fundamental issue from the world. Age appropriate content within SPHE is one basic step to allow trans kids to be open and honest.

No one has actually identified any particular negative outcome that results from including this content in SPHE curriculum. What are people afraid of?

Irish Aris

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