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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824325#Comment_122824325

I think school is an appropriate place to learn many things.

Personally I support any school where inclusiveness is encouraged and LGBTQ children can ask questions that some of them clearly can't ask in their own homes.

(Parent of 28 year old here).

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824266#Comment_122824266

What's the usual punishment for anyone "charged with misgendering"? Or what exactly did you mean by "charged"?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824266#Comment_122824266

Religions are just belief systems and yet schools manage to teach all about different religions just fine.

The Gender Recognition Act has been around since 2015, which permits citizens to change their gender by official certificate, so teachers, if they do teach about gender identity are just teaching the law.

I think the obsession that people suddenly have with this gender Identity is ridiculous. Kids don't really care. They don't have prejudices until they are taught them. Some kids will call Johnny Shirley, some will bully him/her.

Kids just need to learn to respect all people regardless of their name/haircut/clothes. That's not too difficult to teach in school.

Who do you think will charge them with 'misgendering' which isn't a charge anywhere.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824365#Comment_122824365

I'm not sure that point he's trying to make. It's bizarre to do it because schools were not good at it before?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824388#Comment_122824388

No issue with that. Teaching critical thinking is a different thing though.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824405#Comment_122824405

Yes, teaching about different religions and beliefs is of course a good thing, respect for all beliefs, except for when one of those beliefs is imposed on everybody, irrespective of whether one buys into the belief or not.

Misgendering is obviously not a good thing for a teacher to do, as we know where that can lead, and kids are now also taught that it's wrong to misgender, even if that means stating the correct gender of a fellow pupil.

The gender recognition of 2015 is for adults who want to identify as the opposite sex/gender for whatever reason. It's a piece of paper which allows men to identify as "women", giving them free access into … (insert female domain).

School children are not included.

SPHE is great for teaching kids many aspects of growing up in this modern world, but not (when it's about the indoctrination of children into an ideology).

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824325#Comment_122824325

This is a weird point. Surely it's the*obvious* place to learn critical thinking skills?

The sort of critical thinking which would help in debates like this; to spot arguments which are appeals to authority, or straw man arguments, or mixing absence of evidence with evidence of absence, that sort of stuff.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824699#Comment_122824699

The Gender Recognition Act also has a process whereby 16/17 year old teens (so secondary school age) can apply for gender recognition certificates.

You were already advised of this, in detail, and it was recommended to you to familiarise yourself with the Gender Recognition Act in relation to under 18s on the Enoch Burke thread. But I see you still haven't bothered to do so.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122823479#Comment_122823479

Ok this one comment alone shows you Havnt a clue what parenting involves.

Beechwoodspark

Just on the gay couple issue - I’ve noticed often you get a “muscle Mary” type of guy - who acts all butch mr macho type masculine usually in a vest to show off his muscles - with a much more effinemate type of guy - he worked as a florist - this was a couple like this lived in our housing estate but they have since broke up.

So yes - these “mirror” type gay couples DO exist despite the pile on from some boardsies

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824699#Comment_122824699

Women can also identify as men, or is that ok with you for some reason?

You agree that teaching about different beliefs and respect for all people is a good thing, yet you don't believe we should respect those people who believe they are transgender?

Schools don't indoctrine children into beliefs, they just teach the facts of the matter. Some people believe they are born into the wrong body, we just treat them as we would anyone else.

suvigirl

Sweet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824792#Comment_122824792

Sweet lord. The poster said all gay couples are like that. 'imitating' the other sex. What a load of rubbish. All gay couples cannot be stereotyped, the same way all heterosexual couples cannot be.

It's prejudice thinking.

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824894#Comment_122824894

The rise in transgenderism is a direct result of propaganda and brainwashing of impressionable children, many of whom were literally autistic and therefore victims of said propaganda.

Children are being actively encouraged to be anything but straight, and thanks to blanket social shaming, adults are now afraid to tell their kids that they are making a mistake by buying into it, sometimes with tragic results (suicide) usually from irreversible surgery.

Trans advocates must take responsibility for this, instead they just label everyone else transphobic and claim suicides are the result of bullying from straight people.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824894#Comment_122824894

Women can identify as men and men can identify as women, that's all fine and dandy, each to their own, but I don't have to accept that he is now she, and she him and neither should children. Facts are facts, biology is real, and regards 16 & 17 year olds, well apparently they can apply through parents or other adults to give consent for them to "transition" into a new gender, of which which there are currently 76 + non-binary, if that's a new gender? Neither man nor woman I'm told.

And Kids are taught this in SPHE 🤔

This thread has completely jumped the shark. It’s now devolved into conversations about misgendering, sexual identities, and the typical composition of gay couples.

Most of this nonsense is entirely irrelevant to the majority of parents who send their children to school to learn. Yes learn. Receive a solid grounding in Maths, Science, English, Irish, modern languages etc..Everything else is simply a distraction.

Look at all those ambitious Chinese and Indian parents. Do do think their kids’ heads are being filled with this garbage? Are they f**k. They’re too busy learning, acquiring knowledge, positioning themselves for future success. Those who believe in the centrality of all this ancillary nonsense, clearly has zero understanding of the motivations of most parents.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824748#Comment_122824748

What critical thinking skills? 90% of Irish people have the same opinions on everything. All the journalists have the same opinions, save for a tiny handful, in all the universities the thinking is the same, and one has to be very careful not to say the "wrong" thing, and all the future journalists will come out of the universities with the exact same opinions on everything.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824792#Comment_122824792

Your imagination makes good comedy.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824953#Comment_122824953

Kids are taught respect for other people, no matter what their beliefs. I cannot believe that an adult would be against that.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824939#Comment_122824939

Noone is encouraging anything other then allowing kids to be who they are.

pjohnson

the funniest part of all this is when the feck did students actually take SPHE in anyway serious?

It was only ever a time to do homework for other subjects?

am_zarathustra

100%. It's just about 1 class a week, if even, on a timetable. If you've a very good teacher, it might have value, but in most schools it's just filling a hole on a history/geography/religion teacher's timetable. The hysteria around it is mad really. Having trans kids in a school is a lot less bother than a lot of people outside of education seems to think.

That video is gas though, like you need to understand way more than the person you are teaching to teach it effectively. You learn Hidden Markov Models but you are teaching kids how probable it is queen is to come up next in the deck! The teacher in the video obviously didn't grasp this part of any training, wouldn't fill me with confidence about their abilities in a classroom.

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122825080#Comment_122825080

This is just not true!

From the Cass report, that trans activists denounce:

"the prevalence of autism in the ‘trans and gender-diverse’ population, is ‘three to six times higher’ than in the cis population"

"A parent is quoted saying that their child, formerly bullied due to ‘ASD’, became a ‘celebrity’ and received ‘social kudos’ upon coming out" (Cass p. 160)

Please also keep in mind that children in SPHE were told to not tell their parents anything about what goes on in that class as their parents are old fuddy duddy's and *phobes.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122825146#Comment_122825146

The Cass report.? What does that have to do with schools in Ireland?

And do you have any actual prof for your last paragraph, cos I doubt it very very much.

am_zarathustra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122825146#Comment_122825146

The first thing a teenager would do in that case is tell everyone. No teacher is saying that to a student, and if they did, anyone who knows they are saying something of that ilk in a school would be reporting it to the DLP.

The Cass report was about Britain not Ireland. So that's hardly relevant to the Irish SPHE curriculum. People being trans is a reality of life, whether you personally ascribe to it or not, so acknowledging it is hardly insane.

And the idea of there not being a strict gender binary has been discussed in Biology classes for a couple of decades, and again, causes less consternation than some people here imagine. Kids are curious, and sexual reproduction is always a topic they score quite highly in in Biology, even the less than invested students.

I'd be far more concerned about the algorithms feeding the kids very dangerous and upsetting images. If we wanted to protect children, that's where the energy of this fight should be going......if that's what it's really about.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824976#Comment_122824976

are you trying to refute my point, or confirm it? or did you just miss the point?

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824792#Comment_122824792

'Hello; I know nothing about this topic and I'm here to tell you all about it'.

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122825211#Comment_122825211

How **** dare you claim that its not relevant to Ireland. This stuff is being pushed internationally, do you think Ireland is creating SPHE out of think air??? Did the whole western world go trans crazy post 2008 or was that just Ireland too???

Stop being disengenous. Irish people literally got a book off the shelves this year because of the propaganda contained within, so less of the gas lighting thanks.

And believe it or not, but I was also a curious child once and did leaving cert biology - no mention of anything trans at all ever landed on my desk.

As for the algorithms - you dont think these are also part of it? Tech companies are public and they all wanted that ESG investment moneys so they are happy to do Larry Finks bidding and he's got arguably more power than Trump.

magicbastarder

And believe it or not, but I was also a curious child once and did leaving cert biology - no mention of anything trans at all ever landed on my desk.

i did physics and chemistry for the leaving cert, so cannot talk about biology - but based on my experience of physics and chemistry, i strongly suspect LC biology is not going to be nearly in-depth enough to explore the nuances of sexual identity, so the absence of it when you did biology (whenever that was) does not count as evidence relating to it.

(cf my post where i referenced the idea of learning critical thinking, and not confusing absence of evidence with evidence of absence)

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122825267#Comment_122825267

The book wasn't a piece of propaganda, it was a feck up and tone deaf paragraph or two. Children are not being brainwashed into being gay or trans in the education system. The conspiracy theory has been there for a few decades in relation to mentioning anything gay in the classroom, it's just some of you lot are not comfortable around anything LGBT .

Sadb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824939#Comment_122824939

Can I ask where you viewed the stats to back up your claims here? For both a “rise in transgenderism” and suicide amongst post op children.