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SPHE Teacher's Interview - What Happens in the Classroom... - Mod Note Added to OP PLEASE READ

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,757 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    saw this on twitter

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    kids colouring in different LGBT flags as part of a SPHE exercise. which is grand on the face of it, but what flags were included I wonder?

    googled lgbt flags and first result was:

    don't have to go too far to see some controversial takes

    Post edited by Quantum Erasure on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Well as they say, time will tell. Either the whistle-blower made it all up, or she didn't, and time will tell as the truth is sure to come out someday. Same with the two female boxers in the Olympics, who some claimed to be male. They too will be proven to be liars or not, as the case may be.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My kids school spent the week doing pro LGBT stuff. He just didn't engage and found something else to go to when they raised the flag.

    I wonder will they spend a week doing pro heterosexuality stuff just so everyone can be seen to be equal. More likely than not it's a case of some are more equal than others and they won't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah yes, the decades of heterosexuals being discriminated against for being straight. What would "pro heterosexuality" even entail? 😂



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




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  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well from my seat in the world anyone who says heterosexuality is the norm and right is the the one shouted at and discriminated against.

    It's seems to be the case of we're all free to believe what we what but you must also exercise your freedom to believe what we believe even if you don't or else your whatever we choose to denigrate you as.

    That's not equality



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Events, flags. He didn't take a lot of notice. Just found other more useful stuff to do in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nobody is saying being straight is wrong. I'm straight, I've never felt that there's something wrong with that. Meanwhile the rhetoric you seem to be referring to has more to do with implying there's something wrong with LGBT people. That's the group that is consistently targeted to imply there's something wrong with that.

    You basically want some special recognition for those being intolerant more than anything by the sounds of things. You aren't limited in some way in life because of it...



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LGBT aren't limited in their way for life either. I have a right to disagree without being called bigoted, homophobic or whatever other denigration someone decides I am because I disagree.

    If they want true equality, do what the rest of the world does. Just get on with life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,295 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    But they were limited.

    Now they are out and not going back.

    They have the right to express themselves.

    Their freedom doesn't make you less free.

    Just get on with life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    In what context would it be appropriate for secondary school sex educators to be discussing fisting and rimming in a training course?

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You literally just want to imply they're not normal or right, that's gonna get a response that's not positive and that's your own fault. By the sounds of it, you're teaching your own child this logic. You can get offended that people don't have much respect for your views but you don't gain an automatic right for respect. LGBT people are still discriminated throughout the world, parents even in Ireland can still end up rejecting their children because of their orientation. Even if we're to say everything is perfect in Ireland (they're not), I think it's very much so necessary to remember the movement and what they did to get where they are in terms of civil rights. Straight people never had to create a movement.

    Now, explain how you're discriminated against for being straight? Holding homophobic views etc is not an example of intolerance because you're straight. 😉



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Events and flags? What kind of events? Why would he not take part?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Remember LGBTQ+is not one lovely cosy homogenous group of people. They are two distinct groups who can be divided into the LGB (lesbian Gay & bisexual) and the (TQi+) who added themselves to the moniker around about 2015. Since then serious rifts have developed between the two groups, with the LGB feeling threatened by the TQi+ who (they say) are "Transing the gay away", which roughly translated means that effeminate boys are now being taught in school that they may actually be girls trapped in a girls body. A boy is then put on the path of being socially transitioned in school. New name, new female pronoun she/her (listen up Enoch), and everybody must now affirm this for fear of being called either a bogot or a transphobe. Calling the boy by his original Nigel is called deadnaming and is a serious offence, for Nigel is now Wendy and must be affirmed as such, or else . . . Lesbians are also suffering for another really crazy reason. Men who say they are now women and remain attracted to women, are now calling themselves lesbians because they're (same Gender attracted) !!!

    Think about that one.

    All in all Gay people and lesbians are getting serious flack because of all this madness, as they claim to have nothing to do with the TQi+ activists who are pushing their own agenda against biology and reality. LGB TQi+ are really two groups. Not sure what's been taught re all of the above, but children are being taught about gender identity and pronouns etc.

    NOBODY SHOULD BE DESCRIMINATED AGAINST.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If someone wants to believe they're normal and that a male can be a female just because they think they are they have every right to. I have a right to think otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nobody is preventing you from holding any belief you want. Equally we don't have to any particular respect for your belief. I take it you can't point to examples of you being discriminated against for being straight. 😂



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I dunno, cos they're school events? You didn't say what kind of events. Does he isolate himself much in school?



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you don't have to respect my beliefs but expect me to respect yours otherwise I'm a homophobic bigot. It proves my point.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funnily enough no. Though I know a lot of kids didn't take part in what was going on. Why would a school try impose the beliefs of a minority on someone?



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    you haven't even described what the events were! schools hold lots of different events, I don't know why a pupil wouldn't take part, unless the events were something outrageous.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Loudly proclaims

    "NOBODY SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST"

    While literally advocating for discrimination against gender diverse people by refusing to accept their legal right (in this country) to self-identify and choose their preferred pronouns and names.

    I'd laugh at the irony, only it isn't funny.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe the pupil wouldn't take part because they had another viewpoint and it went against their moral beliefs.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Another viewpoint of what though? LGBT people? Or was there something strange about these events? Most school events are about inclusivity and stuff like that no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Creedon, who has been a teacher for over 30 years resigned from her position as a SPHE teacher and coordinator after seeing the content expected to be thought to kids. She stated that she was told by Dept of Education body that if she refused to teach 12-15-year-olds, material on gender dysphoria and announce her pronouns, they would then get someone from the ideological NGOs, TENI or BelongTo, to teach in her place.

    Teachers who attended the DCU course were told that the course workshops would explore what the SPHE course material would look like “in a classroom space.” Several teachers confirmed exercises which included the likes what the op mentioned "fisting" and "rimming" and all sorts - but there was an activity that asked students to write a sex scene about a “pleasurable sexual experience” including "line by line dialogue", and to include "notes on actions" and physical pleasure. Also a word game was used to examine porn terminology. Minister for Education Norma Foley went on national radio to gaslight a whistleblower accusing the teacher of “misrepresentation” and said that none of this was intended for a classroom. The evidence gathered by Gript from teachers present at DCU's course presents the opposite.

    DCU invited Welsh Professor EJ Renold as "a workshop lead" for its course who stated young children "do sexuality" - and “heteronormative” assumptions of “children’s presumed sexual innocence” should be challenged through sex education policy. Renold has wrote that her work seeks “to challenge the often heteronormative, highly gendered and ageist assumptions of young children’s presumed sexual innocence” in the media and in current “sex education policy and guidance.” It’s “ageist” to presume children aren’t interested in sex??? In the current Welsh sex-ed curriculum academics have expressed criticism of the right of parents to remove their children from sex-ed classes or said that parents be denied that right and should be followed in Ireland.

    In 2018, Dr. Aoife Neary told the Oireachtas Education Committee that “fears around childhood innocence act as a barrier” to sex ed in schools and that “comprehensive RSE” should start at age 3. Read her views on “queering childhood innocence

    Then the recording of the course revealed that "fisting" and "rimming" exercises were discussed in an Irish classroom - with a teacher praised for creating a "space" for school students to "get dirty". but this did stop the rap

    EU and taxpayer-funded Journal and RTE had already been to their defense: "DCU 'exploring all legal recourse' after staff threatened following wave of SPHE misinformation" and RTE: "Targeted attacks' on DCU staff after video makes false claims about course'. They recoiled: they screamed misinformation, threw in misogyny even though a woman blew the whistle, and then played the victim. In their own defense of DCU RTE, the Journal, and other outlets who have covered this story did not contact Mary Creedon, the woman at the center of it wrongly accused of misinformation. They have all simply repeated claims word for word from DCU and the Govt, the justifications of and accusations made by DCU against the whistleblowers, flat out implying they are liars. That's not journalism, but propaganda. They were shown for what they are. The recording directly contradicts the claim made by Norma Foley that Mary Creedon (whistleblower) was spreading “misrepresentations”.

    The DCU course has cost the taxpayer at least €468,000 to date for 78 SPHE teachers to attend this course.

    https://gript.ie/photos-inside-the-dcu-sphe-course-fisting-writing-sex-scenes-porn-terms-examined/

    https://gript.ie/audio-dcu-course-participants-discuss-talking-fisting-with-students/

    https://gript.ie/on-dcus-sphe-course-prof-who-challenges-childrens-presumed-sexual-innocence/

    https://gript.ie/irish-professor-fears-around-childhood-innocence-act-as-a-barrier-to-sex-ed/

    There is a reason why a particular lot of people are passive-aggressive and blase about this vile degeneracy……The response i get from people I talk to about this never changes. People aren't aware of whats being taught to their child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And I'd point you to the paradox of intolerance. I don't think you've managed to prove anything. You complained about the lack of heterosexual specific events and implied you face discrimination cause you're heterosexual. Then you failed to actually prove this, now it's just complaining about the fact that people don't have much time for your views. Silly school, encouraging students to be inclusive of LGBT people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Welsh Professor EJ Renold and workshop lead at the DCU training course

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    no

    Mod Edit: Warned for link dumping



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah yes, outrage at a woman's physical appearance and you not finding her attractive enough. Nice mature analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    As of October 22nd, The NCCA has removed advice on “secrecy” regarding SPHE classroom discussion  The section in the document advised teachers which said that students should be told that what they discussed in the class was not to be shared with anyone.

    https://gript.ie/ncca-removes-advice-on-secrecy-regarding-sphe-class-discussions/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Ah yes, the performative outrage on behalf of others over nothing. No such fun was made of anyone's physical appearance.



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