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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,366 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I suggest for consideration there is a difference between an 'opinion' link dump with a vague clickbait wording and a breaking news event type link.

    As in, someone might post a link "Trump has just been shot" … and a link to a breaking news article about it.
    Without adding an opinion about it.

    I trust mods will use some discretion in that regard.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I can see from your profile pic(⛄) that you'd keep a cool head if you were a Mod, and you'd make it your coal to use the carrot approach. Though you might not stick to that if there's a call to arms. 😉



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've managed a relocation from Dublin to Kerry. I can manage a flock of chickens and bring the axe down when they dont do what they're supposed to do.

    The secret is not to name your food. Can't be any different being a mod 🤪



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As per the CA forum's charter "you are not are to post any material that you know or should know…. is false …and inaccurate." So these posts in of themselves should be actionable. An example…let's say someone in the Harris Vs Trump thread posts that voter fraud had a significant role in the 2020 election. This is both false and inaccurate. Plus, any poster "should know" that. So I can't really see any excuse for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There are numerous posters over in the CA/IMHO forum that consistently post falsehoods and then play the victim when their falsehoods are countered. Happens every day. Some posters on here are simply incapable of posting anything that isn't completely disingenuous because that's their game. It's what they're here for.

    There's posters that can't even be upfront about who it is they're supporting in the Harris Vs Trump thread for god's sake and choose to hide behind blatant nonsense.

    In a forum that's subtitled In My Honest Opinion, no less.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well the mods have the ammunition to deal with it. It's right there in the charter. I'm talking about blatantly obvious falsehoods here, where mods and posters "should know" it's false. Doing so would reduce a lot of friction in some of these threads.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    You said you were "lost" "don't understand" or "get" the double standard.

    So how could you possibly have addressed it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    You mean like someone stating Trump wanted to have Liz Cheney executed by firing squad.

    Or someone stating Trump had a mini stroke, or Trump has Dementia, or Trump is pumped full of amphetamines by his handlers.

    Or someone giving a critical dismissal of an interview they hadnt even listened to and thought the presenter was a man when it was a woman ?

    Then doubling down when caught out trying to spin it as misogyny.

    Those sort of falsehoods ? That sort of Disengenuous behaviour ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    sorry but I’m not up to this continuing badgering - I’ve explained myself very clearly - I’ve already reported a post in CA this evening for similar - if I did this sort of sh01te I’d get banned - so no I’ve nothing further to say on the matter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    What badgering?

    This is a discussion forum.

    If you claim to have addressed something, then you need to actually have addressed it.

    That you didn't is the reason for the faux outrage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I thought posters were supposed to limit their reporting now?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    sorry now but what exactly has that statement got to do with me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    You mentioned that you’d reported a post, that’s all.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again the mod won't know unless they are reading the entire thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I can’t find the post but the big bolded admin one had a piece about the “abuse” of reporting posts. I wasn’t sure how many reports would be considered abuse of the facility and considering what was allowed go on, without consequence, I wasn’t sure it was worth it.

    I know Beasty had said before that users should report all posts they deem “worthy” of reporting but, maybe, now with the additional mods in CA that isn’t as necessary as it was.

    There’s been days where I, personally, could report 3, or 4, spam/shilling thread but now, to be on the safe side, I’ll leave it to the pros.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I took 'abuse' to mean improper or ill-intentioned reporting rather than a quantity issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ah yes. I can see why you would vehemently oppose unfounded claims of dementia leveled against a candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This.

    I thought it was in response to a user who suggested users should be restricted to 1 report per day - which is a very impractical solution to nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I don’t get that, though. If someone is reporting a post the reason has to be reason to report it. Something in breach of “the rules”.

    Disagreeing or not liking what’s been said or not liking the poster aren’t valid reasons. I’m not sure what other examples I can include.

    I don’t really know how the facility can be “abused” if not by volume of invalid reasons. And, if that is the case, it really can’t be that many at it so discouraging, regular, users from reporting seems counter productive. Unless, that is, the 2 new additional mods can cover the forum and reporting of posts isn’t needed as much.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes

    That was what I understood .

    There are not enough mods to read every thread even with doubling existing mods on CA .

    Although have to say it is already very noticeable improved .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Whatever the situation is, outright and open abuse of a moderator, or category moderator, should never be tolerated.

    I understand there’s complaints of “inconsistencies” along the political, and culture war, lines but there really should be no blurring when it comes to direct attacks, and abuse.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Actually, before I get myself in trouble, I’m aware that discussing moderator, or admin, actions on thread isn’t allowed but is inaction allowed?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sorry. What has that got to do with my post ?

    I have never advocated for any abuse nor have I been involved in that and have been very clear that more mods were needed .

    What are you referring to ?

    Or are we talking at cross purposes here ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I saw someone post here earlier today about hoping to see extra mod commentary on threads. Things like telling people to take a break, tone it down etc etc.

    Can I just echo that. I'm not suggesting mods drop in and comment on every thread recently but if a thread is contentious or has ongoing active reporting, a well worded comment (not just shouting at people) I think could go along way both in making people reflect, but also (more importantly) communicating to the rest of the thread that the mods are on top of it.

    Also, locking threads should be seen as an obvious or necessary step and used as such rather than just an easy way to avoid having to think about managing it. The political satire thread in the Pics/videos forum was locked earlier this week and while I don't entirely disagree with the moderators frustration around it, just locking it without action or guidance before doing so I feel is excessive. It was said that it would be reviewed, but why not say on thread it was going to be reviewed and may be locked if rules weren't followed and then go ahead and do the review when time allows. It might end up being locked, but also, it might pull it in to line while still serving the function of having people spend time on the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes. This is what I have seen that I think is an improvement but for sure it takes time by the mod and they have to be up to date with the thread .

    Not always going to be possible but better if it can be done .



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I think this is what we will try to do, but as you say, Goldengirl, it won't always be possible.

    We will still count on people reporting posts. The extra "hands on deck" mainly gives the chance to go through reported posts quicker. We still won't have the time to read through every single post in every single thread.

    Having said that, we shouldn't make this a competition of who's gonna report the most. Take a moment to think before reporting a post. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, people's first reaction is to hit the report button. There were a few occasions were people offered suggestions when reporting posts, which would be great counterpoints to progress the discussion. Use that. If you get nowhere after a while and patterns are repeated, escalate to us. I think that's the best way to approach this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Here's two posts that earned a ban for 'link dumping' that I don't think should have:

    and:

    I'd wonder who's reporting these posts in the first place tbh



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I don’t really know how the facility can be “abused”

    You'd be surprised!

    A couple of examples:

    - A poster got warned for repeatedly repeating the same question at the same poster, despite having received an answer multiple times. We call this haranguing. When the poster got warned they then reported every single post that asked a question as "haranguing". They were warned that if they continued to abuse the report feature they would be sitebanned.

    - A poster started a thread. They reported every post that questioned their position or disagreed with them as "personal attack". They were contacted and told disagreeing isn't a personal attack and they were to stop abusing the report function.

    Some posters seem to be under the mistaken impression that the most reported posts get actioned. They don't. A post will be actioned if it breaches a rule. Not all reported posts are actioned, not all actioned posts are reported.

    Continue to report posts that you think need to be reported. If you are considered to be abusing the feature you will be told.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Both are clear examples of link dumps.

    I'm not going to get in to this again. It has been explained at length on this thread.



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