Dispute with mod

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122784565#Comment_122784565

What do you mean by all guns blazing?

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122785063#Comment_122785063

Go on a spree dealing with trolls, WUMs, serial thread disruptors etc.

Plenty of feedback has been given on what's causing issues, everyone knew there was a shortage of mods, there's now 2 new mods and they should be allowed to get on with it.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122785072#Comment_122785072

There's a handful of posters that need to be dealt with and everyone knows who they are. With the new, stupid, rules in place it has allowed them to play a game whereby they deliberately post something ridiculous and provocative and when they are called out on it by another poster they go running to the mods who have now backed themselves into a corner with their hasty and ill-thought out application of these new rules.

If there's anything that can be said to be "killing" the site, it's merely a few posters that time and time again are a source for the headaches not only for the mods but for other users as well.

Every one of them is going on the ignore list.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122785072#Comment_122785072

I don't think thats a good idea to go in all guns blazing especially when one of the new moderators said that they had rarely posted in CA before and wondered if parachuting mods into CA might be counterproductive.

Give them a month or so to get to grips with things, ease their way in, survey the landscape, good cop as opposed to bad cop kicking the doors in.

I think that would be better.

Irish Aris

Thank you everyone for the feedback.

To use the carrot/stick analogy, my intention would be to mod more with carrot, less with stick. I'd expect that posters that genuinely want to contribute to the site and may occasionally get caught in the heat of the moment, will appreciate this.

At the same time there are posters that like to push the limits - and their luck. Remains to be seen if the carrot will work in such occasions, and I will have no hesitation to use the stick when needed. Not out to get anyone, but quality of posts/discussion is important.

@Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786150#Comment_122786150

Parachuting in mods with no experience of the forum is the exact opposite to what @Big Bag of Chips said earlier was how mods for a forum were chosen. It's typical, say one thing and do another. Looks like she ignored her own advice with the 2 new mods.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786491#Comment_122786491

No harm in trying a new approach(imo) - the old one clearly wasn't working.

A couple of pairs of completely fresh eyes might be just what CA needs.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122779866#Comment_122779866

You keep ignoring the point I have made.

Which at this point I can only assume is deliberate

Criticism of Harris/zelensky/whoever isnt the issue.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786414#Comment_122786414

As someone who’s received a few warnings and bans since the new rules came in, what was reassuring was that others did too and that it was visible. My main complaint was with how the US election threads were moderated and how certain discussions were closed down by self moderating posters. As were only days to the election the Harris Trump thread has a much greater variety of posters and opinions now- it “feels” like a normal thread - there’s room for everyone and I don’t think posters are getting so hot headed -whilst the new rules have helped maybe there’s lessons here for all in terms of getting too heated too early on discussions for such threads .

PS- carrots always welcome - visible mod announcements such as “guys go for a walk thread getting too heated - bans will follow if continued” can really be helpful and only the trolls will ignore such warnings

weisses

What's the issue with the labelling of Trump and consequently reminding his supporters here they are supporting a convicted felon and sexual predator.

The same people whinging about that fact are constant having a go at Harris, the only difference being is what they are spouting is mostly verifiable nonsense.

The Operatus morandi is … Post verifiable nonsense, resulting in many posters asking for clarification instead of providing some context disappear from the thread for a while… Come back, post some more waffle ….rinse and repeat

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786491#Comment_122786491

I don't know, a pair of fresh eyes might be just what's needed. If they're not overly familiar with individual posters they can judge a post on its merits rather than an opinion they may have of a poster based on seeing a lot of their posts.

ETA: I saw Ezeoul's post after I posted, so at least 2 of us agree!

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786491#Comment_122786491

I don't select the mods. The category moderators do. We as admins then approve or not. There are a number of people involved in the decision making not just 1. There are very few suitable posters active in the forum, so we spread the net wider - you know, took some of the feedback on board. But now even that's a problem!

No matter what decision is made we can always guarantee someone will find something to complain about 😉

If the moderators are active in the forum then they are accused of showing bias.

If they are not active then they are accused of having no context.

Hats off to anyone who takes on modship of CA.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786588#Comment_122786588

Sorry I don’t mean to be rude but I’m not at all familiar with the point you’re referring to - it’s been a number of days since I posted here - if it’s about “double standards” then I’ve addressed that in a previous post - after that I’m lost to be honest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786649#Comment_122786649

If you think pointing out the obvious contradiction and your agreeing to a decision which obviously contradicted what you said is complaining perhaps you're saying you had better things to do that be reading this thread and if we didn't like it we could leave is probably the way to go.

But I'm stubborn and I don't like people who obviously don't care, trying to tell me to go away. Personally I don't like Reddit or understand it. Been on boards decades and never once approached about being a mod so the net hasn't been thrown that wide or I'm not a "suitable" (whatever that is) of person. 😉

Im inclined to agree with you. 😁

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786800#Comment_122786800

There's no contradiction. Mods have always been picked from the prolific posters in the forum. A number of other posters have been approached and we are waiting to hear back from them. Maybe they will be more to your liking being more prolific posters. Sometimes if there's not a suitable candidate from within the forum itself other areas are looked at.

Just to really blow your mind: I've been a moderator in the Conspiracy Theories forum for years, despite never having contributed to that forum as a poster and not really having much of an interest in conspiracy theories 🤷🏻‍♀️

Why you haven't been approached? I don't know. You obviously do not stand out to the relevant moderators and category moderators as someone suitable. Personally, I admire your ability and stamina in continuing to find things to complain about, even when solutions are being applied 👍🏻

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786800#Comment_122786800

Are you annoyed you weren't approached? Very few people are so you shouldn't take it personally.

@weisses

@weisses "Post verifiable nonsense, resulting in many posters asking for clarification instead of providing some context disappear from the thread for a while… Come back, post some more waffle ….rinse and repeat" - one of the most frustrating problems for years. Not an easy one but I think there should be a rule for people to back themselves up when they make a provocative claim.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786936#Comment_122786936

Not annoyed in the slightest 😁.just making the point.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786908#Comment_122786908

Perhaps not standing out is a good quality in a poster. I'll take it as a compliment 😁.

One thing you can always say about me is that I have stamina.

I managed to send the Healy Raes away from my door last week with them most likely regretting calling to me. I don't suffer fools gladly and always love an opportunity to stir the pot🤣

Onwards and upwards into my life of anonymity.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786800#Comment_122786800

To be fair I think you just demonstrated the answer to your own question.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786908#Comment_122786908

 I've been a moderator in the Conspiracy Theories forum for years, despite never having contributed to that forum as a poster and not really having much of an interest in conspiracy theories

God help you

Better off modding that forum from a mile high like that though. I experimented doing it the opposite way and - I don't think I would again.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787048#Comment_122787048

This sort of thing is difficult to moderate but not impossible. This is where reports are important.

One post might not be actionable, two posts might not be actionable, three posts might not even be actionable, but a pattern of posts will be.

Posters have been forum banned, and indeed sitebanned not for one specific post but for a pattern of posting. Moderators do discuss behind the scenes. So even though posters might think nothing is being done, it usually is.

I also think despite calls of heavy handed moderation sometimes moderators give timesinks far too much leeway. I suppose that's why they're called timesinks, because they take up so much time. Moderators should, and are being encouraged to, just ban them. 5 points, temporary siteban.

Changes are being made. Action is being taken. We'll never please everyone, but hopefully the site (CA!) will become a nicer place to post and problems will be dealt with quicker.

JP Liz V1

Was a clear full description of "link dump" explained, sorry if I missed it

I mean if you are asked for proof then providing a link should be allowed

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787048#Comment_122787048

What is viewed as a provocative claim in one thread may be viewed as a genuine and unprovocative point in another.

Any mere slight criticism of Harris or the Democrat party is likely to illicit a provocative response from a certain cohort of posters in the Harris-Trump thread. Its like a red rag to a bull.

Some people simply cannot discuss Trump or American politics without getting very animated and emotional.

When a poster is piled on pretty quickly, I dont blame them for disappearing from the thread for a while.

They may not want to become involved in a long drawn out discussion with irrational fanatical posters, there is no winning a discussion with posters like that. Its best ignore these posters.

Certain posters in that thread just want to get others banned, its very obvious. Their whole agenda is to try and bait, goad and troll others into getting a response, so they can report posts. Its pretty pathetic but its how some people get their kicks Im afraid.

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787244#Comment_122787244

Ahh go on... We had a great time 🤐 😉

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122786150#Comment_122786150

I don't think thats a good idea to go in all guns blazing

I'm not surprised.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787357#Comment_122787357

Why arent you surprised, please elaborate.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787331#Comment_122787331

What you're saying happens too for sure but I'm talking about the very specific cases of what weisses described. Crazy stuff does get said about Kamala (of course that doesn't mean she's above criticism, but then there's the other end of the spectrum where people say completely mad stuff) but I don't mean any specific topic or political angle... it happens for all kinds of topics. And gets directed at individuals too when things are ascribed to them which are not there.

Back it up with facts.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122787323#Comment_122787323

It was discussed at length earlier in the thread.

If you post a link, give us your own thoughts and opinions on what is contained in the link. Otherwise it's just dumping somebody else's work into the thread. It doesn't matter if it's in the middle of an ongoing discussion.

There is an issue at the moment with a poster who appears to be posting AI generated posts. This poster is being warned and banned. A link dump is similar. You're posting someone else's work. Someone else's thoughts. If we allow "but it's obvious from the heading" without any discussion then the thread could quickly descend into a series of screenshots and videos with little or no discussion.

A link dump is dumping a link. "This is good" "She did well here" "I liked this" is not discussion around a link. Links should be used to back up your own point, not make the point for you.