Dispute with mod

Arghus

That idea of being able to know what people report is a silly idea.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798500#Comment_122798500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798519#Comment_122798519

This is so incredibly immature. I wonder why it's reminding me of that phrase, "Snitches get stitches"

I don't know how to get this through to ye, but

A: It honestly doesn't matter who reports what.

B: It doesn't matter how many reports a particular post raises.

C: Reports only raise attention for mods. Most reports are not acted on.

D: If you post within the rules, you usually don't have anything to worry about.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798519#Comment_122798519

posters are encouraged right across the whole site to report posts they think are in breach of the rules. Reporting posts is a significant and vital part of the moderation policy of the whole site.

you make it sound like reporting posts is a bad thing and not something everyone should do??

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798563#Comment_122798563

It would be interesting to know who are the serial reporters, and if there are any. And it would discourage people from spuriously reporting and maybe only report only when really needed.

That was all I said. Hardly a need to be called immature.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798601#Comment_122798601

It would be interesting to know who are the serial reporters

Why?

It would discourage people from spuriously reporting

It's up to a moderator to decide what is a spurious report. Trust me, if people are abusing the report facility, they are warned.

report only when really needed.

That's what already happens in most cases.

Putting in any kind of block to people reporting posts, will decrease those reports, leading MORE work for mods to do as they'll have to close down and clean up threads.

I think you just want to see who's reporting your posts.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798539#Comment_122798539

Well what’s occurring now is experienced posters bait more inexperienced posters, underhanded name calling is a perfect example, they know they won’t get infracted as they have knowledge on how the system works. They can then report a post where the inexperienced poster bites and is not so underhanded. Some transparency on baiters is necessary, otherwise it remains rampant, as it stands the report process is open to misuse and imo would contribute greatly to the decline of posters on the site.

Yvonne007

I don't care really. I just thought it would be interesting to see which posters had an excessive report count, not that you could see who they reported.

It's ok. I will keep my opinion to myself on this (and other) topic.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798668#Comment_122798668

No, it isn't.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798668#Comment_122798668

Underhanded name calling?

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798500#Comment_122798500

There is absolutely no need for this. Moderators know who report posts. Moderators decide whether a post needs to be actioned. And moderators decide whether someone is abusing the report function.

Ridiculous suggestion that adds nothing and would only stir trouble.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798601#Comment_122798601

Honestly it just sounds like info that would be used to hurl insults at posters for reporting posts. There's no benefit to you knowing this info outside of using it against posters.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798718#Comment_122798718

You're probably right to be honest. Wasn't something I put a lot of thought into, but yes, I can absolutely see why it would be not a great idea. Mea culpa. Was just spitballing.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798519#Comment_122798519

Also a ridiculous suggestion. There is no need for it. There is no limit on the number of posts you are allowed report. I deleted 75 posts from this thread this morning. I don't know how many of them were reported but 1 poster would have been perfectly entitled to report those 75 posts for being off completely off topic and in breach of the thread rules.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798704#Comment_122798704

yes, where an experienced poster will write their post in a way that indicates the recipient is an idiot or ignorant or similar, but will masterfully write it in a way that does everything but actually call them an idiot, thereby insulating themselves from infraction, pretty impressive in some cases and goes completely over the mods heads.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798755#Comment_122798755

You are allowed call someone an idiot, as long as you do it civilly.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798735#Comment_122798735

I know. Probably wouldn't have called it "ridiculous", but perhaps "badly thought out".

I had said so much in the response above yours which you missed.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798735#Comment_122798735

When a poster drags another one in, by posting screenshots of their posts on a different thread and then tries to make out that poster is somehow treated differently to him, you have to expect replies to that though.

It's tremendously unfair, particularly when there are no mods around and other posters joining in a pile on!

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798531#Comment_122798531

Anything that makes it more transparent and less open to abuse by the more experienced posters, anything to help clarify moderation, big bag of chips has deleted 75 posts off this thread for breaking rules or off topic, how many warnings were handed out? I’m guessing none, could be wrong but nobody knows, there are cases where a post just needs to be deleted and that’s it, a comment from a mod will suffice, where exactly does this transfer to a warning, after someone hits the report button?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798709#Comment_122798709

Absolute denial of transparency is unhealthy, mods are susceptible to bias, and the smaller the community the greater the susceptibility to bias increases, ok maybe direct identification of an individual is not exactly needed, but greater transparency in this area is no doubt necessary on such a heavily moderated site.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798913#Comment_122798913

It really, really isn't.

The Mods know who reports what and which mod dealt with it.

The C-mods know who reports what and which mod dealt with it.

The Admin know who reports what and which mod dealt with it.

It's completely transparent, (once you become a mod that is!)

There's absolutely no good reason for users to know who reported posts, how many reported posts a user is making, or how many posts of theirs have been reported. It would be too easily used against a person.

As for bias, it's definitely happened in the past that mods were demodded for showing bias. That's why the Admin and C-mods know who took what action, where.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798913#Comment_122798913

Why?

It is transparent to the moderators. There are multiple moderators. Reports are visible to moderators, CMods and admin. Sometimes warnings are discussed and other opinions sought before applying the warning.

I'm not sure of any other platform that operates with a transparent reporting policy! A post is privately reported and dealt with by the people tasked with dealing with it. If anything this site is transparent in showing posters who are on warnings or banned. Posts have notes added to them if they've been warned.

You don't need to know who reported what, or why.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798953#Comment_122798953

When I say transparency I mean outwardly, everyday posters cannot see the inner workings, and this adds to my point of possible abuse, the more experienced posters, some previous mods understand the inner workings, and can use them to their benefit, whether reporting or baiting.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798682#Comment_122798682

Who decides what constitutes "excessive"? Depending on the forums you frequent, this number could vary wildly. I doubt there are as many reports by users of less frequented forums.

Anyway, a poster's number of discussions is inclusive of their number of reports, if you're actually that bothered to work it out.

I am quite open about the fact that I have no hesitation in reporting if I think it's warranted.

I am now more likely to make a report than I used to be, as trying to be the bigger person has come back to bite me before, when I ended up with an infraction and thread ban for being "uncivil" but the other party got away with it because I didn't report them.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798795#Comment_122798795

When a poster drags another one in, by posting screenshots of their posts on a different thread

Against the rules. Report it and move on.

posters joining in a pile on!

also against the rules, report it and move on.

3. The forum charter is not going to change. Posters know what is acceptable and what is not, new posters will learn quickly. However we would like to clarify the following - Low level snark/ personal abuse, concern trolling, sealioning, victim blaming, piling on posters, link dumping and bringing up a posters previous posts from other threads/forums are specifically not allowed, as these seem to have operated in a grey area until now.

odyssey06

In terms of reporting, some sites do give feedback to reporters as to whether their report was actioned or not.

This may reduce the number of 'false positive' reports so to speak as posters take on board the feedback as to which posts were actioned or not. And ultimately lead to more efficient user of mod time.
(I am not here alleging abuse of reporting by users, assumption here is good faith reports by users who think rules may have been breached)

But I'm guessing it may not be supported by Vanilla as an auto feature so a moot point.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798997#Comment_122798997

You have to trust the mods. I have had many run ins with mods, c-mods and admin, but I still trust them. The process works, and there's enough checks and balances in place for it to be fair.

It sounds like you just don't trust the mods here. You should try change that mindset, or with respect, find another site to post on where you do trust the mods and the process.

Smee_Again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798997#Comment_122798997

You're giving far too much Machiavellian credit to these "experienced posters" and not enough agency to posters who can't comment within the rules.

Supernintento Chalmers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798784#Comment_122798784

🤣 I think you proved his point, BBC. What a jobsworth warning that was. Joyless administration. Are you really happy doing this in a voluntary capacity, because it really does not seem so?

_______________________________

Warned

Big Bag of Chips

If a post is actioned the moderators will try to leave a note to show that it has been warned. So there already is feedback on whether a post is actioned. The actual warning is visible to moderators and to the poster but not others.

We have asked Vanilla to make this visible to all but apparently it is not possible.

The moderating here is extremely transparent. Just because some people don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes doesn't mean there's a problem with the process. It is as transparent as it needs to be.

erlichbachman

To use this as an example, our understanding of transparency in this context seems to differ, to me what would help here would be additional information, something like this post was reported by 5 people, and if we don’t see any reports then we know the mod has decided themselves that this deserved a warning. How would this help the community, well if we see a mod handing out warnings without any reports then it can be questioned, if the poster sees multiple reports on their post then that may help them reign it in, more towards self moderation in a way. Personally I would go further and believe that actually listing the reportees would be of benefit, they could then be challenged in a respectful and transparent way.