Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Warning people about Trump by Harris feels weak to me - it’s probably working for Trump but well that’s they way the cookie is crumbling in this election - he’s thrived on that kind of approach

-far better her supporters like Biden and Springsteen and whoever else do the Trump bashing - let her keep talking up her policies and what life will be like with her as president and talk up the economy Otherwise I think she’ll just look panicked and desperate at this late stage

…I don't know about you, but when I'm voting the negatives of who I am voting to keep out are at least as important as the positives of who I'm voting to put in. In a two horse race this is even more pronounced, and Harris has to emphasise that Trump second term would be a different prospect to his first.

She can't articulate a policy. Did you watch the CNN townhall during the week? It was a car crash, to put it as politely as possible. She hasn't gotten any better at articulating a response to even softball questions since the start of the election.

The type of voter she needs to convince is non party undecideds at this stage as well as reluctant voters.

I have seen estimates that cohort could be 13% of the electorate.

The type of person who may have voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

I think she’s improved and she tried (albeit very late in the day) to put distance between herself and Bidens administration at long bloody last, - but I’m not sure it was a convincing enough performance in terms of her standing out as a confident independent thinking leader.
“A lot done more to do” sorta put her back inside the Biden camp

What do you think of some of the ethnic vote appearing to be heading towards Trump?

I don’t get that at all - is it fear? Lack of education ? And the female vote also? There’s a ready made audience here for her beyond what might have been there for a middle aged white male candidate but they’re not biting in the numbers predicted

To be clear, at no point did David Axelrod say that she can't answer a question. That is your insertion, appearing to misrepresent Axelrod as its source.

Your claim is demonstrably false, as proven by her winning performance in the debate v Trump, and in 'hostile' interviews such as on FOX. Something Trump flees from.

In the interests of balance, he also said:
She was very strong — as she has been — on abortion rights, because she feels passionately about it. She can be clinical on some of these economic issues,” Axelrod said. “She was great on the long-term care for the elderly, to help people.”

His remarks were specifically about a question she didn't want to answer.
Isn't that something all politicians have to deal with?
The ones that actually turn up to be asked questions?

Axelrod also said this:
He also argued that the Harris campaign’s fundamental goal with less than two weeks to Election Day should be driving home one message Harris delivered at the town hall: Trump will have an enemies list, but she will have a to-do list.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4950819-david-axelrod-kamala-harris-cnn-town-hall/

But isn’t the most frightening thing of all , that it IS so “utterly stupid” but yet we’re in a race so close now, no one can predict the winner and god forbid there’s a tie .

Its a bit complicated.

Historically, the Democratic Party’s legacy with the Civil Rights Movement is what kept it popular with Black voters.

Before the 1930s, the Republicans and Democrats received roughly equal support from both Black and White voters, it was only between 1930 and 1970 that things changed dramatically.

But nowadays younger Black voters do not have those same civil rights legacy attachments, they werent alive in the 60's and 70's.

Alot of blacks are Conservative but still vote Democrat for historical reasons.

Perhaps they are now voting for Trump as he is the conservative candidate.

Maybe they are disillusioned with how the Democrats have taken their allegiance for granted, and not delivered for them.

Its a multi faceted issue.

What do you think of some of the ethnic vote appearing to be heading towards Trump?

Have you citation for this?

I think Harris will pick up more of the undecided and reluctant vote, which the polls don't tend to cater for.

I think she will also pick up a sizeable amount from republicans who lean independent.

I read some survey yesterday that stated 24% still hadn't decided who to vote for.

Given the fact polling is on a knife's edge, it's get from certain that he'll win this election. If he does run it, it's not due to proven competence as president.

24%

Jazuz that leaves it wide open

In terms of your question I’ve seen reports of a decline in ethnic voting towards Harris in the last few days but also a few weeks ago I read about it first -I won’t post the daily Mail article that appeared yesterday as I know that’s not exactly anything to go by and I won’t post the Sky News feature either as I know what sort of sh0ite I’ll get for posting those as they’re both just jumping on the bandwagon but a few links below have some analysis - I don’t know if I can post the get around to the New York Times paywall article but I’m sure you know how - it’s an interesting read

“An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll conducted by the University of Georgia's survey research center found that of the Black voters in the Peach State surveyed, 73.8 percent said they would vote for Harris in the presidential election, against 7.6 percent who plan to back Trump, with 17.6 percent undecided.

This is a notable decline in a Democratic candidate's position since the 2020 election, when 88 percent of Black Georgians voted for Joe Biden, according to a CNN exit poll. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll also gave Trump a nearly four-point lead with all likely Georgia voters, placing him at 47 percent of the vote against 43.4 percent for Harris.”

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-black-voters-georgia-1972865

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/13/upshot/trump-black-hispanic-voters-harris.html

Thanks - some food for thought there. And yes indeed, that point about loyalty is born out in point 5 of the New York Times article I posted above:’

It’s too long to post all the text here but here’s a snippet from that particular section of the article

5. For a new generation, Trump is ‘normal’

The Times/Siena polls suggest Mr. Trump has made his largest gains among young Black and Hispanic voters — especially young Black and Hispanic men.Overall, he has a 55-38 lead among Hispanic men 45 or younger. Ms. Harris leads among Black men under 45, but only by 69-27. The results among 18-to-29-year-old Hispanic and Black men are even more striking, though the samples are small.In contrast, Ms. Harris holds far more typical leads for a Democrat among younger women, with a 68-30 edge among Hispanic women under 45 and 87-6 among young Black women.These young men came of age long after the civil rights movement that cemented nearly unanimous Democratic support among Black voters 60 years ago. The youngest were toddlers during the Obama ’08 campaign. They may not have a vivid memory of Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign. To them, Mr. Trump may be “normal” — a fixture of their lives to this point, naturally making it harder to depict him as a norm-defying “threat to democracy.”