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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the best deal for ukraine?

    the only deal for ukrainians is for the invading Russian occupying force to get out of their country.

    Trump is patently too weak a person and too much putins lapdog to make this happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Explain what peace would look like rather than vaguely pointing to it being possible. Russia retaining territories leads to genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    early rurnnnnout.png

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/10/24/early-voting-turnout/

    Eary voting appears to be on a par with 2020 although that was a covid year. The georgia turnout appears to be roughly the same as 2020 up until now, more turning up in person less mail in. 2020 in person-2.7 million, mail-1.3 million, 2024 in person-2.2 million, mail-148,000, so far. According to the washington post they are on a par up till now, its just mail in voters previously are voting in person.

    I did a comparison of the close states that had mail in by party affiliation 2020 and 2024 and some of the closer states that had early in both years person.

    early.png

    Those are some of the closer states that have party affiiation for both 2020 and 2024. Thats the percentage of the total votes by party affiliation in 2020 and 2024.

    It looks like a higher % of republicans are voting than democrats to me, (compared to last time, and some of these states were less than a point last time) maybe harris has captured some of those republican votes but that doesnt look promising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    That actually caused me physical pain. Not fair and I was just russian out the door too.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    None of this is true though.

    There has been no option of negotiation. Trump has demonstrated that he not only is not good at negotiating, he has no intention of actually helping Ukraine at all.

    When asked about what deal Trump would make his supporters simply dodged and ignored because they didn't want to admit he would simply allow Russia to take the country over.

    Is this the option you believe Trump will take. Is this option good in your opinion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Good analysis eeepaulo - I would caution though about baselining against 2020 given the extraordinary circumstances.

    2024 might just be a normal election, in terms of how and when people choose to vote.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You cannot compel Ukraine to negotiate if they do not want to. Putin has made no proposal which is acceptable to Ukraine so their is no basis on which to start negotiations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yes I know it’s the daily mail and they’re totally anti Harris at this stage however - the general thrust of the article is highlighting black people and why theyre voting for Trump.
    There’s been a consistent posting here on the election threads saying “Maga voters will be maga voters there’s no turning them” - and that’s fine I get that- but I bet those posters who kept saying that didn’t have these African American gentlemen in mind when they thought of maga supporters - it just shows the dumbed down messages have reached the less informed people of America who weren’t natural MAGA supporters in the first place.

    Also, and feel free to disagree but the end part of the article highlights what Harris/Trump were rated highly for throughout the election - it’s my understanding also - certainly Trump has led on economy and security from the outset and I posted as much many months ago -

    It really doesn’t matter a damn what route people are going through in order to decide to vote Republican /Trump - family tradition, wanting change, inherently racist, scared and fearful, poor , misinformed , easily led - yep all of the above - the fact is, it’s becoming apparent that a lot more than just the “MAGA supporters” are now doing so.


    I always looked at how some laughed and sneered at Trumps efforts at rallies etc , as an indication of just how little they understood what was happening-

    Trump fries weren’t served up the other day for no reason - I’d say Trump gained many voters with that stunt - you can laugh all you wish on how stupid it may have looked but Trump is serious about taking the White House - he doesn’t know what humour is - and if he’s serving up fries in McDonalds then you better believe that it will only be beneficial for Trump.



    “While Harris enjoys a healthy 14 point advantage from Latinos, it's much lower margin than past Democratic presidential candidates.

    President Joe Biden had a 36 point lead with Latinos in 2020 and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had a healthy 50 point lead over Trump. 

    Former President Barack Obama had a 39-point lead over former Governor Mitt Romney.

    Trump earned higher marks than Harris on the economy, dealing with inflation and the cost of living, and border security and controlling immigration.

    Harris earned more positive ratings for competence, honesty, and having the right temperament to be president.

    Overall, 77 percent of voters in the poll said the economy was fair or poor, while just 23 percent described it as excellent or good.”


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14000471/Chicago-convenience-store-worker-shocked-black-customers-voting-for.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,462 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trump has giving interviews stating he would like Musk to be part of his administration.
    Musk has appeared on same platform as Trump, endorsing him.

    So yes, in that sense Musk is running. He is part of the same package as Trump.

    And again, the nonsense that bringing this up is a sign of 'desperation'. Trying to waive away criticism not because it is false. Noted you do not dispute the truth of the claims made against Musk.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    LOL, Putin would walk all over him, probably end up giving him Alaska and shoring up the Russian military with the US but he would come out with his strong hand shake /art of the deal BS.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's no way that he would try that silly alpha dog hand yanking thing with putin.

    And there's no way Putin would actually go as so far as to make physical contact with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    A touch of reality

    Trump earned higher marks than Harris on the economy, dealing with inflation and the cost of living, and border security and controlling immigration.

    Harris earned more positive ratings for competence, honesty, and having the right temperament to be president.

    Step aside from all the nonsense and this is what it boils down to, vote for someone who can actually run a country, or give the job to your aunty and hope for the best.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But again, what could Harris possibly do or say to convince people when they are determined to support Trump and swallow outright lies.

    According to your source he is perceived to be better at the economy and the border, but he actually isn't. He's simply lying about how he will fix the economy and his border policies are either vague, ineffective or just excuses to make things harder for non white people.

    Harris has the handicap of not being able to lie about this stuff or make mad off the wall declarations that people will forget about a day later. And on top of that she is also not supposed to counter or talk about Trump's false claims, cause people will see that as "but Trump…"

    So is the option for her to just start lying and making stuff up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Did you even read your quote?

    "Harris earned more positive ratings for competence,honesty, and having the right temperament to be president."

    You then said

    Step aside from all the nonsense and this is what it boils down to, vote for someone who can actually run a country, or give the job to your aunty and hope for the best.

    The quote you provided said that Harris scored more for competence and having the right temperament.

    Does that not mean people prefer her as a president who can run a country?

    Dear god…

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Accomplished politician, largely scandal free and highly intelligent. Versus a guy who danced on stage for 40 minutes at a town hall, struggles to put together coherent sentences and a convicted felon. On top of that, he struggled immensely in the debate against the woman you're referring to as "aunty".... By your own logic, he's incompetent if he can't handle her.

    Also you're clearly forgetting how terribly he handled an actual crisis situation...



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People are delusional when they imagine Trump has economic competency. He has ran multiple businesses into the ground - including a Casino (how could you achieve that given the banks advantage). He has also been assessed by multiple economists as having an economic plan which would - increase inflation, balloon the deficit and crash the economy.

    Give me the competent auntie any day of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump's economy required multiple bailouts. The idea that he has economic competency is laughable.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But Trump can't run the country very well. And there's all of the other stuff about him that makes him completely unsuitable to be president.

    Even if he were actually competent at running the country, I don't think that's something that forgives say his obvious and rampant racism. Not is it a trade off for all of the weird fascist stuff he keeps trying.

    At the same time, you guys have failed utterly to show that Harris would be somehow incompetent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭scottser


    Trump isn't a fascist, although he is an autocrat. MAGA lacks the ideological drive to state corporatism that defines Fascism and Nazism. Fascists saw their ideology as one that would replace society, that would see everyone working for the state and their own private interests be put second to the interests of the country and any dissent would be heavily punished. You can't make that fly in America. Trump, by contrast is not interested in unity, he won't do anything for anyone unless it benefits himself and wants a world free of regulation. He lives in the chaos of division and is more likely to start a civil war than rally the nation against a common enemy like Mussolini or Hitler.

    The Fascist tag is incorrect; if you label it incorrectly you won't recognise it when it starts to happen. And while there are similarities between MAGA and Nazism they both strive for very different outcomes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I would not be friends with someone i thought might be racist,

    I'm not a Trump supporter nor am i his friend ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    So dealing with inflation, cost of living, border security and immigration is not a sign of competence, sigh, the word was applied to Harris as a token gesture, and actual examples of competency were applied to trump, seriously what’s going on with people on this thread, this thread will be gold for a psychological evaluation post election, there’s some serious mental blocks occurring here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So then when historians specializing in the rise of Fascism directly state that they believe that Trump is a fascist, they're just wrong? You're just more informed than they?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,587 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    People only think Trump would do better with inflation because inflation rose heavily at the start of Biden's term (due to the knock-on effect of Covid), which also happened in pretty much every developed nation, and even though Biden's administration managed to control and then reduce inflation (quicker than many other nations did), people think Trump would now do better.

    I'm not saying Trump caused the inflation (again, it was mostly unavoidable as a consequence of Covid, supply chains etc), but because the effects of it happened during Biden's term, people associate it with Biden, which is just f*cking stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I was not saying you were friends with a racist.

    Read it again

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I’m done for the day now, anyone know what time Trump is on Joe Rogan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭scottser


    Well, you haven't linked to any academics who state he is a Fascist. I don't believe he is as the differences are too vast and the outcomes too dissimilar. He's a chancer whose only priority is self-gain and immunity from prosecution. The Christian Nationalist Right thinktanks who are behind P25 however are another thing altogether; they've just written the blueprint of how to introduce MAGA Fascism™ into some of the states. But they're pushing for a theocracy, more like the Taliban. Y'all Qaeda, if you will.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Translation: You are abandoning all of your previous ridiculous claims because you aren't actually able to defend them.

    You will return with more ridiculous claims you make up after watching Trump's interview and will also not defend them.



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