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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Joe286


    I don't think all new houses are at a minimum 500k. That's bullshit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Correct.

    https://www.daft.ie/new-homes-for-sale/ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Jackie Cahill (FF) not running in Tipp I see, citing medical advice. He was a shoe-in for a seat.

    Tipp has been split again for this election into two 3 seaters. He's based in Thurles so presumably would have been running in Tipp North. It doesn't look like FF have anyone selected there yet. it seems he only informed the local party on Sunday so there'll be a bit of a scramble there.

    Elsewhere I see that SF have added a female candidate to the ticket for Cork South Central alongside sitting TD Donnacha O' Laoighaire. Strikes me as a bit of gender quota plumping considering that she was a mile off a seat in the locals earlier in the year (she came 11th in a 6 seater and behind another SF candidate).



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you seriously think any of the main parties would touch SF after the last few weeks?



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't underestimate the stupidity of stupid people.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Let's be honest here - Ireland is starting from a very low base, we need an awful lot of improvement to get where we need to be as regards housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    SF will make housing affordable to a certain cohert alright.

    The ones who think the world owes them a living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Ff,Fg housing scheme is just another rehash of our previous crash. private sector builders building through investment funds etc and renting them back to the state at inflated prices due to inflated corporate taxes. Hilarious stuff and sinn Fein are mad..... Anyone who thinks this is sustainable is a idiot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Nope.


    The last crash was caused by banks crazy mortgage lending rules.


    None of that exists anymore.


    Your analogy is incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    And who paid when the banks collapsed ? And who will pay for all these long term inflated agreements with vulture and investment funds when out corporate tax collapses ? One bedroom unit here locally is 35k per year on a 20 year lease paid for by the local county council to a foreign investment funds and they still don't own it at the end of it..... Crazy ****. It cost about 200k to build 3 years ago. It is not sustainable and this government signed up to this all over the country. It's a massive bubble again all funded and inflated directly by the state and not through the banks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Green Party went into government with Fianna Fail in 2007 at the height of the Mahon Tribunal crisis for Bertie Ahern.

    Political parties will go into government if the numbers add up. I really hope we don't see this tradition continuing of months of negotiations and other nonsense before a government is formed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Who do you vote for?

    No Matter which party is in power in Ireland, nothing will ever change, way too many corrupt people involved.

    Ff/Fg will be the same old drivel it always is.

    Sf could realistically never be in power, way too many headbangers there, and they would be still unable to make any change. Although many will vote for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭MFPM


    On the balance of probability, I think Coppinger will make it. it was far from a stellar performance in Castleknock in the LEs and she would have been livid Aontú out polled her on 1st prefs.

    Chambers, Currie and Donnelly are safe, I think O'Gorman will hold on too. Natalie Treacy is rightly pissed with SF for the locals so I can understand her decision to leave, and while she can pull a decent vote, I don't think she'll get in. If the last seat is between Treacy, Coppinger and Troy, I'd be very surprised if Coppinger doesn't win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There is social housing delivered in pretty much every new development in the country. Its the law.

    Local Govt are often buying/renting additional social housing stock, on top of the Part V mandatory allocation. There are also some new build apartments that are 100% social.

    There were 12k new social homes delivered last year, the largest amount for years.

    I can't see how SF could deliver those kind of numbers, especially over the next 5 years.

    If you want more housing, of all price brackets, the current govt have the momentum to outperform the competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I'm not referring to social housing. I think you know that though. I'm talking about your average teacher, guard, hairdresser taxi driver etc who don't qualify for social housing. New builds are not affordable for the best part for people earning the kind of money like the above.

    You can talk about the government delivering over the next term but they have failed miserably to do so up until now. They have allowed wealth funds to come in and buy up whole housing estates during their term. They have failed to make housing affordable during their term. it doesn't matter what they are promising. It's what they have failed to deliver that they should be judged on. Will SF be any better? I don't know. But I'm sick of voting for this lot and their failures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Is 405k affordable? Is 425k for a 2 bed an affordable price?

    Trim - 365k for a 2 bed? 415k for a 3bed?

    A 3 bed in Kilkenny for 360K?

    350K in Mullingar.

    So Kilkenny and Mullingar are the lowest price 3 beds. What if you work in Dublin? Or somewhere without public transport. Tough **** is it?

    Naas 500k for a 3bed. And the list goes on.

    None of that is affordable or suitable. But it suits the governments agenda to say they are meeting target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The SF housing policy doesnt help the nurses and the guards!

    Remember that the SF homes are out of reach of average earners. The cut off in income means a couple on average salaries wont qualify for a SF home.

    And they can forget about the private market, because the SF policy of building cheaper houses on state owned land will inflate the private market further, as supply there is constricted, in order to focus on building the SF homes.

    The only way to bring the cost of private homes down is to increase supply and the govt will do a much better job of that than SF will, in my opinion.

    Dont forget the funds are essential to building the homes im the first place. Witbout them, the new homes dont get built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    But you agree that FFG have failed the majority of the electorate around housing during their terms in office?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Building cheaper homes on state land will reduce the premium on private development sites which will in turn reduce house prices.

    Serious mental gymnastics to suggest it will push prices up. What is pushing prices up is demand led schemes like shared equity and HTB - I agree only more supply can fix this market, but the status quo is not doing that.

    Just look at how many of our 'record' completion numbers go on general sale (shockingly few) - most are bought by AHBs for social housing or REITs for private rentals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    The y have absolutely continue to fail on housing, but don't be fooled that SF will fix the problem. That doesn't necessarily mean that "it's better the devil you know" but opposition parties haven't provided an alternative plan that would fix the issues.

    A task force, and i mean a task force of substance with powers should be created to fix this mess



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Sinn Fein vote will be split four ways, between Troy, Hanaphy, Treacy and Donnelly. If that goes badly, Donnelly could be in trouble, but there is enough for one seat. For example, if Hanaphy and Treacy transfer well to Troy, she could end up ahead of Donnelly. While that is unlikely, Currie and Chambers don't have the same issues, meaning he is slightly less favoured than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    The only people inflating the market is the government ! All over the country local councils are bidding against couples and driving up house prices all to keep the house of cards from failing down. foreign investment funds developer who sells/leases back to reit or county council at massively inflated prices and they never own the houses all paid for by the state over the next 30 years. comical stuff but fair play to ff/fg some crowd to rob their own. a whole housing estate here taken over by the council recently on a 20 year lease. **** nuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    property inflation is due to the (in)actions of both the state and other market entities, and this isnt gonna change, as theres not gonna be an alternative government in ireland for a very long time yet….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Any idiot could come up with a better plan than what they are doing at the moment. Its the children hospital on steroids. Who the **** pays for a 20 year lease on a whole estate and never owns it ? Its incompetence or more probably corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    government decisions are more ideologically based than anything, of course theres elements of incompetence and corruption within those decisions, but its more based on their overall ideologies, the fundamental basis being, as little state involvement in providing societal needs, in particular critical needs such as housing, and to do everything possible to encourage and facilitate market based entities, again, this will never change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Could you provide the stats on the last sentance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    I understand that some anecdotal stories don't set the status either way, but the reality is that the health system is sucessfully treating thousands of people every day and we only ever hear about the failures. The notion that our health system is a disaster doesn't reflect the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    I think the Name recognition aspect is very overstated. There's an automatic assumption that people vote for the name when it's probably more likely they vote on party liens and would vote for whoever was replacing them. The only time I think a name matters is if someone is being parachuted in who hasn't been a councilor before for example.

    Take Helen McEntee for example. Had FG put up another candidate, I've no doubt that seat would still be FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Last year one third of all units delivered were apartments.

    Less than 10% of these apartments were bought by owner occupiers, 40% by AHBs for social and remaining 50%+ by institutional investors.

    For houses the institutionals are much lower, but council and AHB are still significant buyers in that market also.

    So of 32000 units built last year (2023), more than 10000 (33%) were acquired by AHB/institutional investors.

    75% of all units in Dublin were apartments also, and increasing. So good luck buying in Dublin any time soon.

    For new build houses, owner occupiers Vs institutional is closer to 60/40 breakdown. So of remaining 22k houses that hit the market, only 14k are there for owner occupiers.

    Very poor going when you look at how much the population is growing and pent up demand - only 14k homes to buy nationwide, everyone else can rent at 2k pm!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭scrabtom


    I predict the Green Party will return 5 or 6 TDs.

    Catherine Martin and Ossian Smyth seem safest, having both topped the poll last time out and the Greens performing very well in the locals in those constituencies.

    I would favour Neasa Hourigan, Patrick Costello and Hazel Chu to get in as well. The Green vote likewise held up in those constituencies in the locals. Roderic O'Gorman as well given he might get a bit of a boost from being the party leader, and it's become a five seater as well.

    It seems like an uphill climb for Steven Matthews, Malcolm Noonan, Joe O'Brien and Francis Noel Duffy.

    Marc O'Cathasaigh and Brian Leddin may as well not bother I think.

    There's no chance they pick up any new seats. Most of their other candidates didn't even get elected in the locals.



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