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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paterson Jerins


    Ah yeah it is. It's ruined constantly by trolls and wums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    I’ve never seen anything like it, it’s like a social experiment where people are forced to live in isolation, and listen to 2fm, and they end up eating each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭scottser


    LOL!

    I just got banned by Beasty for a week for calling Trump 'Rapey Don'. I think. It's hard to tell with him most of the time..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, it does say to read the OP. I ran foul of this before that was added but it's quite clear now that if the rules in the OP state that he shouldn't be called a rapist, a sanction is warranted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    It all went to hell when they removed downvotes.

    Now people are forced to engage with trolls to express their displeasure of a comment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭scottser


    It's a bizarre rule, given that the courts have essentially said he is essentially a rapist and plenty of other posters have referred to him as such.

    Anyway, the break from here will do me good. Sure, there's nothing like a good ban to recharge the batteries, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's a completely ridiculous rule that was foisted on the forum. The days we can't state the truth is a completely bonkers day for boards.

    Trump IS a rapist. Found so and called out by a judge. How we can't say that here is utterly mind boggling.

    Whats next? We won't be able to mention:

    Berties brown envelopes or that he didn't have a bank account in the next Irish president election thread?

    Sinn Feins link to terrorism?

    Israel battering the sh*t out of Palestinians?

    It's an absurd joke of a rule, whatever side of the partisan divide you land on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not my rule. I do not moderate CA. I can see why it's there as loads of posts calling him a rapist aren't going to make for pleasant reading. It's my opinion that he is a rapist. I don't disagree with that categorisation at all.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Never said it was your rule, don't sweat. I just said it's a ridiculous rule, and has pretty much broke the mould on boards that we're not allowed state the truth because its boring or doesn't make for pleasant reading or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Downvotes? That's before my time and I'm here 18 years...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There was the thumbs up and thumbs down I believe, something along those lines , like/dislike etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Yep, that's what I mean, thumbs up and thumbs down.

    You'd see a comment with 20 thumbs down and there was no point engaging. The community had already spoken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    That was the old karma system. I've been here since 2003 and I think it was even gone by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    >Mods are volunteers. They see a report, read the post, make a decision to action. They aren’t always going to get it right

    I don't think anyone has an issue with not getting it right, however the current state of the forum in question means that even if the moderator doesn't get it right, you have no recourse to appeal. And that's just not right.

    And in some cases from what we've seen in this very thread, even if you do successfully appeal on the basis that the initial moderator judgement was wrong; they will just change it around, come up with a new — and sometimes completely unrelated or picked out of thin air — warning reason, and retain the sanction. That's just not fair and not right, and it's why so many users are being disenfranchised with this site.

    ----

    So, I can kind of see the mod side of this a little On Reddit, we will occasionally collate an accrual of warnings in a short period into a single ban (since we don't run a silly system where individual warnings garner an immediate associated ban).

    However in this instance, all five of your posts were systematically warned one by one, not only after all were posted, but also in most cases way too late! Actioning posts from October 15th on October 17th is definitely too late to be punishing them one-by-one.

    All of those should have been collated together into one — or if that's not possible in Vanilla, all warns have been zero pointers except the last one which had a 1 or 2 point applied to it.

    Ultimately it's just an example of bad moderation, where the user involved won't really learn anything from it because they were basically processed in a heap, rather than promptly at the time of transgression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    it’s amazing that post got a ban but the one above it where a troll plagiarized an account on Twitter writ large didn’t get so much as a slap on the wrist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Lol, that's the way to do it. If yer gona get banned for nothing you may as well get banned for something haha..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    Most warnings are fine, legitimate, and correct. But an increasing amount are becoming frivolous as can be seen from these threads.

    Why should users have to "man up" against something that was clearly issued in such a manner?

    And what are you insinuating about users who receive mod warnings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    That was such a long time ago and for such an insignificant period I think you might be thinking of something else? Boards for the last 20 years has basically only really had the 'thanks' ability, to my memory anyway.

    I generally think an up/down vote karma system is flawed as it doesn't promote discussion. A lot of subreddits seem to be echo chambers as a result with everyone going contra to the sub's party line getting down voted and pushed out of the discussion. It's tedious to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Jesus, I went back and checked some old threads. Think it was gotten rid of around 2007, reason being they wanted people to express why they disagreed with something.

    Personally I like that Reddit has the feature and hides posts that have bombed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,387 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Can't believe your offer of being a mod wasn't accepted, you have the belligerence towards users down to a tee.

    😂

    Seriously though writing off genuine concerns from some users as hysterical is probably not wise.

    Either way I can see Current Affairs going the way of the Political Forum, an absolute grave yard.

    Who knows maybe that is by design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Agreed, they will definitely reply to tell you how wrong you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Time sure does fly doesn't it? 😅

    Re the OP, I honestly only really ever see Beasty actually moderating on boards these days. For better or for worse, it does seem like he has an absolute herculean task on his hands.

    Do people just not want to moderate anymore? I moderated absolutely aeons ago and it seemed like the place was choked with mods back then. Feels like lots of the forums now just have no active moderation?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ultimately, you draw on the pool of users for potential mods but the site was steadily declining before the disastrous move to Vanila in 20201 but after that, it's plummeted so there are fewer candidates and there are much fewer tools for modding as well.

    I stepped back after the rework when it became clear that people could just rereg and we couldn't do anything about it. Since then, some tools have been added but overall, the experience of both using and moderating the site for me is a clear downgrade both in technical terms and in terms of the feel of the place.

    We have an owner who hasn't posted in almost 18 months now. It's hard to want to step up when Odhran clearly couldn't care less.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It would be interesting to see who’s flagging posts. I’m getting the impression a certain noisy minority from the left started this and now some on the right have caught on and are doing the same. This is when mods are actually looking at individual posts and just throwing out bans to do something.


    There’s a few poster here that completely and repeatedly derail threads with nitpicking and constant posts on threads. It’s more than a bit rich hearing them complain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    That was exactly what I pointed out to Beasty but I was told that I have had accululated plenty of warnings already and my next ban would be permanent.

    (erm…yeah of course I have accumulated lots of bans…you just gave me around 5 warning in a scattergun approach looking over about 2 hours of posting…2 days after the fact).

    Another point I made that has fallen of deaf ears is that because I didn't report most of the posts which were as equally against the rules as mine above were…they aren't liable to sanction.

    I explained the reason I didn't report almost any was because robust and heated conversation has it's place. I don't think I deserved a warning for my posts, so I didn't report others similar to mine, directed at me. Now retrospectively, I think that's unfair, especially as I am locked out of the forum for 3 weeks and am also unable to report for that length of time.

    Upon reinstation to the threads, will I be able to report old posts and will the same scattergun and rapid fire santions be applied to other posters for something they said 3 weeks ago and hadn't been warned?

    This only encourages people to actively seek out posts they know may be borderline in an attempt to get users permanently banned.

    And I think that is by design if I am being honest.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    There are 2 mods on this site who, since the migration, have done more moderating than pretty much all other mods combined

    One is Ten of Swords. The other is me. We have tried additional mods but once they start to appreciate all the grief involved they pretty much give up moderating CA

    Ten of Swords has had some real life issues to deal with and over the psst few weeks I have dealt with around 99% of all reports in CA. In the past week or so that is around 400 reports, many on mobile (currently sat Manchester Airport awaiting a flight and then 2.5 hour drive home)

    When I get home I will probably be dealing with reports into the early hours. At one stage I had a backlog of a few days to deal with. I got that down to about 40 when I got back from a gig last night

    Reports are not ignored, but by necessity to minimise the risks of some falling between the cracks I have been dealing with the earliest first. Hence if a post gets reported and then reported again it goes to the back of the queue

    Under the new forum rules I can just say to everyone I will not engage further. But I will engage regardless if a poster PMs me in a constructive manner (and indeed sometimes when they are not constructive)

    If people want I can re title this thread

    "Beasty is s bastard who closes down discussion" and then close this thread

    I am not doing that though, but I am not proposing to re-engage here when I have enough on my plate just dealing with reports and follow up PM discussions. So fire away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭argentum


    Think Beasty needs to take a break from being a mod from reading his post above



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Ah yes, the old I'm only getting sanctioned because my post got reported (a lot) victim card.



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