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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes.
    That is what SF believe also, they were removed from their positions and left the party before sanction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So it appears now that it was Stanley himself who made the potentially criminal allegations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Notmything


    We're not talking about the gaa.

    That's a hell of a stretch, by that argument noone can report child abuse as that's an individuals personal information.

    Post edited by Notmything on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why didn't Stanley go to the Gardai himself? Was he asked, does anyone know?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    So would I. We all would I think and if SF were 100% above board in this themselves she’d have a point but under the circumstances no comment is the best stance. It leads me to question her abilities as a political representative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    I actually said parties that believe a crime has happened should immediately involve the Gardaí

    So do not misrepresent me

    That’s one thing

    The other here is the perception involving the Gardaí was done for a self serving reason to keep Stanley quiet before the election

    Do you know,I think,I’ll leave you alone now and just get the pop corn out as I think you’ve more to be worrying about than my musings on the matter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FF's James O'Connor on News at One not up to speed on the story and embarrassing himself.
    Seems to think the criminal allegation was made against Stanley, not the other way around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Stanley made the criminal complaint himself…so he could go to the gardai at any time. A few questions now arise out of that.

    Update perceptions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Lol, the same way lots of employees are aware of an incident involving other employees. They witness it, they hear about it from the person(s) involved etc. That doesn't give them the right to share it with another organisation though. Have you never heard of GDPR before?

    Jesus, there's no way in a million years you've been involved in any employment disciplinary proceedings so let's not pretend otherwise. The second pedophile, jesus. What exactly makes you determine they are a pedophile? It's because of people like you that privacy laws exist and rightfully so. Sinn fein should have refused to give a personal reference for McMonagle and I've never claimed otherwise. AFAIK they are legally required to provide details of his employment with Sinn Fein, again, under GDPR they would be required to do this.

    Despite all your claims, you still can't point to any piece of legistion or any section in the Children Protection act that provides for that. Amazing, but if you insist on repeatedly lying and making things up that fair enough.

    Well actually we are talking about the GAA. Again, you're wrong. There is legislation in place that states people need to contact specific agencies or the Garda/PSNI if they feel a child is being abused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    I’d already said what my perception was,that he went from hero to zero in your eyes in about 18hrs…

    Up to Saturday night,my perception is he behaved completely loyal to the SF omerta

    He has no need to do so now,question remains,were the Gardaí involved to head off anything emerging for SF pre election coming out ?

    Doesn’t really matter now does it,the confluence of shambles for SF is done,it would make one wonder how bad what’s being hushed up is



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    This looks like dirty trucks and political infighting in SF getting out of control. If, by what Stanley says, the initial complaint wasn’t criminal but timed to knock him out of eligibility of standing for the party at the next election, it smacks of a battle to remove him. Perhaps he was asked prior to all this to step down or a “better” candidate was identified. Either way, situations like this arise in all parties. Usually the politician has the option of resigning and running independently. It sounds here like SF wanted to have their cake and eat it too, I.e. keep Stanley inside the tent but prevent him from running and keep him tied up in a spurious complaint. If so, the fact that he’d just resign and show them up should have been considered. If it wasn’t then they deserve a the flak they’re getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,863 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Interesting the indo article on sin fein recent issues are free to read ie no pay wall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Stop pivoting now Pureza.
    Here's what your 'perception' was,

    The other here is the perception involving the Gardaí was done for a self serving reason to keep Stanley quiet before the election

    A joke trying to debate with somebody like you, asked a simple question about new information and you immediately pivot to something else.

    BTW I don't and never had 'hero's'. Everyone has potentially feet of clay. My perception will change on foot of the evidence presented.

    Stanley, as I said in my first post on this, is a big loss. I suggested in his defence that he may very well have made the criminal complaint before he actually acknowledged that it was him. That was what the use of 'counter claim' intimated to me.

    My perception now is that maybe he was gaming the inquiry process - why would he stay in a 'kangaroo court' situation if he had evidence of criminality?
    Why didn't he bring it to the Gardai himself. Was he using it as leverage to keep his position? They are certainly the questions I would be asking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    Here's the full word for word transcript of her interview this morning - my guess is the Irish Times has published it this way to ensure that sf won't issue libel proceedings against it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/10/14/mary-lou-mcdonald-im-not-pretending-for-a-second-that-mistakes-werent-made/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    With the transcript to hand, do you now accept as pointed out to you that this was wrong?

    mlmd has stated clearly that the complaint is not of a criminal nature and that had the complaint been of a “criminal nature” it would have been referred to gardaí immediately and the party “wouldn’t have been near it”.

    MLMD said the complaint was not of a criminal nature, it was the 'counter claim' that was of a criminal nature.

    Do you also accept to make the claim that it was sent to the Gardai to 'keep people quiet' is also bogus.

    Stanley at any time could have gone to the Gardai himself. Stanley has also been invited by SF to reveal what the intial complaint was. He hasn't so far.



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    MLMD will lead SF into the next election. She'll be leader of the party after the next election. SF don't change leaders lightly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    "My perception now is that maybe he was gaming the inquiry process - why would he stay in a 'kangaroo court' situation if he had evidence of criminality?

    Why didn't he bring it to the Gardai himself. Was he using it as leverage to keep his position? They are certainly the questions I would be asking."

    There's a delicious irony in your inferring that an SF TD was acting in bad faith, someone whom you would have defended to the hilt not 48 hours ago.

    All of this is just speculation of course, but as to why Stanley didn't approach the Gardai about potential wrongdoing in his party - it's because that's just not the way SF roll, as you well know. Shinners gonna shinner after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    I left a few impressions today,all in this thread,you asked if I changed

    The answer is No

    He’s made a statement this lunchtime stating that the complaint was brought forward at the last day for nominations for his constituency ie with maximum damage intent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And pivot again to something else.

    Has this perception changed?

    The other here is the perception involving the Gardaí was done for a self serving reason to keep Stanley quiet before the election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    @FrancieBrady does it hurt your pride at all that you are seen as a parody on this forum? Surely you have some inner pride inside yourself that should be telling you, "Enough of this"

    I dont know how you do it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁 SF did go to the gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The Irish electorate and media would really need to wake the fcuk up when it comes to SF.

    We deserve everything we get if these criminals and shysters are let anywhere near the levers of power.

    They are not a normal political party - they are a terrorist cult and I'd like the media to take a far more active role in investigating where they get their funding and who are the people at the top that are actually calling the shots in the organization - this soft ride they've been getting for decades now is nauseating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It is actually kind of depraved that you are pointing fingers at BHF rather than SF regarding that particular scandal.

    Then again you have a history of this.

    Remember the time that SF was caught hoarding peoples data illegally in some sort of database? You started a thread giving you about… not SF, but the Data Protection Commissioner for not doing their job!

    Unbelievable stuff.

    There is always someone else to blame, some other angle, some other get-out clause anytime your beloved SF comes under some scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    This all day long. It is about clearing out reps and members that are not solidly radical socialist.

    The old traditional leftish economically Republican types are being shown the door.

    This story is also likely tied in, with the departure of another long serving member Aidan Mullins.

    If you want to know the type in the party driving this, they are often the one who gets 3% in a local election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If your principal concern is child safety then a situation were there is no ability for the likes of the BHF to check an employee is dangerous and it could happen again.

    The BHF are not at fault, they are hampered legally IMO
    The people in SF who wrote and verified the references were absolutely and totally wrong and I welcome the SF announcement that they will not be allowed back in the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    No,and as you’ve read,the question is how bad could a pre election revelation be (on top of everything else) that hiding behind a Garda investigation is warranted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    SF is in a full-blown self-made political crisis mere days before a GE is to be called and @FrancieBrady is banging on about Golf Gate. FFS.

    He has lost the plot…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    There is but who would want it.

    If I were a young smart up and commer in SF, I would let her take the fall in the next GE, then make your move.

    She is now on death row and her days are numbered. She will not be leader of the party this time next year for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So you think SF went to the Gardai to 'hide' when at any time Stanley could go to the Gardai himself?
    That MLMD took to the airwaves to reveal as much as she could of what happened, regardless of the 'damage'?

    Makes zero sense, perception or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    seems you did not read the transcript.

    "I want to be clear here, I am not in a position to say whether or not the complaint or the counter allegation meet the standard for criminal investigation. That’s not my job. But I am far happier that the complaint and the counter-allegation are now in the hands of the gardaí and they can do what they deem to be appropriate."

    Seems she only realised yesterday morning that she could use the gardai to keep the allegations quiet. She knew of these allegations since 11th sept and did not think they were criminal - and still says she does not think it reaches that threshold, but very handily thinks it is so so so urgent that the complaint is referred to gardai on a sunday - despite the issue being in the party's hand for almost 5 weeks!

    That is deflection and using the gardai to silence people - just as she uses libel laws to silence others.

    same old, same old



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