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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And it is dawning with an absolute train wreck of an interview with Mary Wilson on Morning Ireland, as I write



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 540 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Mary Lou struggling very badly on RTÉ radio just now, to explain why the referral to An Garda Siochana only happened after the "kangaroo court" within SF had concluded.

    She is very poor under sustained pressure, and comes across as amateurish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You'll note she also said that nobody knows if the allegations meet a criminal threshold, that now rests with the Gardai.
    Stanley was given a chance to refute or present contradictory evidence (Deadline was this morning) as is his right, he walked instead, what happens him now is not for SF to decide.

    No wagons were circled to protect a high flyer here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭pureza


    Mary Wilson asked straight out was Mary Lou in charge of SF

    There was also a strong hint from Wilson that the matter was brought to gardaí to keep it under lock and key

    Can we now say SF are under criminal investigation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭baldbear


    I felt sorry for her. With her and her husband's health issues etc.

    She said she thinks the complainant hasn't made a complaint to gardai. So if the complaint was a massively serious matter then I'd imagine it would have gone to the gardai a long time ago.

    And if the complaint hasn't gone to the gardai what right do SF have to refer the matter ? Did they only refer it after Stanley said he was jumping?

    The Northern SF and the Southern SF are causing each other massive issues.

    Simon Harris is in Dreamland.

    Stanley was getting elected for SF down the country long before they became hip and popular with the new SF kids. Bad times ahead for them. Will his wife now leave SF?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Had Stanley not resigned, the guards still wouldn't know about this complaint.

    If it turns out that the complaint is not upheld, it will look as if Mary Lou deliberately sacrificed Stanley to save her own position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    If it’s serious enough to warrant a Gardai investigation yesterday then it was serious enough to warrant a Gardai investigation last week or in August.

    SF circled the wagons on their own institution and Kangaroo Courtesque inquiries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭nc6000


    That was a wreck of an interview, Mary Lou confirming that some unelected members were involved in the investigation and then couldn't explain why they only went to the guards yesterday afternoon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If they did anything criminal, they should be.

    If you ask, did MLMD protect the party from the fallout by circling the wagons, denying wrongdoing on the part of the member, point to the upstanding record of the member, blame others, like we have actually seen happening elsewhere then she did very badly in that interview.

    She didn't do any of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Mary Lou in total panic mode. Her own position is now in danger.

    This is why she's doing all these interviews. She's toast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    In a normal political party you’d have people starting to call for a change of leader and for her to resign by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She did. The parties to the complaint were given a chance to refute the findings, they had until today to do that.
    What if Stanley had come back with contradictory evidence?

    He terminated the process, so the findings have been handed to the Gardai to decide if a criminal investigation is needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭HBC08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Ah would you stop, it sounds like they tried to cover it up and only took action when the story broke. These guys want to run the country? Maybe start by showing you can run your own party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I haven’t head her interviews this morning.

    I really hope Stanley goes public on what he’s accused of. His wife is a SF councillor. Wonder if she’ll be resigning from the party today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭JVince


    With the election a near certainty for Nov 22nd and a poor performance from sf also a near certainty, she will most likely resign before Christmas and rightfully use her husband's health as the primary reason.

    Between her own health issues last year and her husband's health issues, it probably is the right time to become a little selfish and decide what's best for her.

    Then it will be between Blackrock college boy Eoin O'Broin or Donegal's Pearse Doherty.

    If they want to target middle market voters, it's O'Broin. If they want to revert to the working class and fervent nationalistic vote, it's Doherty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    The investigation that was hiding under a pillow for 3 months until the McGonagle story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭pureza


    Mary Wilson did

    One member from NI she said and a member who is a Barrister



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁 If they wanted to cover it up, they would not have begun the process at all or entertained the complaint.

    Ridiculous nonsense tbh.

    When you compare it fairly to what happens when the leader of another party admits wrongdoing of a potentially criminal nature SF come out smelling of roses here. Did FG refer potentially criminal behaviour to the Gardai?

    Yes that is whataboutery, but it is relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, she said one official from the south, one from the north and a barrister, I think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    My sense is that if the election goes badly that EOB is a busted flush. They did a soft relaunch post the locals with their housing policy and it barely moved the needle.

    That said, I think a bad election will be the most tumultuous thing to happen to SF since they started running for Westminister so what the future holds is very interesting indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Yeah, they should have figured out months ago that it was a matter for the guards, not the day after it makes the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    An organisation has responsibilities under child protection legislation. Failing to tell the BHF about McMonagle was definitely a breach of those responsibilities by Sinn Fein, and it looks like failure to tell the GAA was also an issue in the second case. Unfortunately, because of Sinn Fein omerta, we are still waiting for the full story on that second case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Eoin O'Brin is completely toxic. They would be mad to appoint him as leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭nc6000


    I agree that more should have been done about Leo leaking the contract to his mate. It was pretty poor from him and reeked of the old boys clique.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think the main opposition party is in a little more than an internal quandry. They are now in a fullscale meltdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Notmything


    She was on newstalk at the same time. So all the scandals are not really scandals but are proof that sf are well run and clear and transparent in their processes. Clearly the sf definition of transparent is not the same as everyone else.

    They received the complaint against Stanley in July, apparently they couldn't investigate it in August as people were on leave, they investigated in September and decided it was legit at the start of October.

    Apparently Stanley had a barrister and solicitor involved the whole time, sf also had a barrister. She came across very poor, a lot of waffle and deflection.

    Say they were up all night trying to spin this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And those who committed the breach are gone from the party and their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,308 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Neither O'Brion or Doherty are leadership material one talks down too much and the other is too shrill. However as we know any new leader will be anointed. They lost Peader Tobin who might have been an option. I expect someone other than those two

    This is the fourth issue in a couple weeks, the references, the inappropriate text messages, along with Ryan and Stanley now. Are any of the issues related. We know nothing because of the secrecy within SF. SF because of there internal set up SF were always going to have a disaster like this.

    All SF need now is for Cobalt to turn out to be a SF TD or Senator.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have been involved in a number of such cases. Summary overnight dismissal and immediate referral to the Gardai was the outcome. That includes two cases in the public service.

    Summer holidays didn't delay that, no seven days to consider the report, unlike the nonsense that MLMD is putting out.



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