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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    Mack wasn't brilliant but it's his his 4th? game in 10 months. I'd let him play his way back into form. He hasn't been awful.

    Kicking for touch and missing it was a poor decision. I get the thought behind it; 2 maul tries. But you have to execute then. Taking a quick tap earlier was a bad call as well.

    All told over the first 4 games it's a mixed bag but more positive than negative. 3 potentially tough away games with 8 points taken and 5 from the only home game, albeit we got put of jail there.

    There's clearly a better belief in the team this year, I genuinely think last year we would be 0 from 4 now.

    The risk is things start to slip and these lose results go against us. Hopefully the management can keep the positives and knock off the brain farts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    Ulster, Glasgow and Ospreys and home with Edinburgh away. Wouldn't agree those are similar. 3 home last year 3 away this year for starters. And it was coming off a WC cycle

    I think the early fixtures fell well last year.

    Agree it could be rough next week. Would take a LBP or TBP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams



    No issue with anyone having a bad game but half hearted (at best) efforts shouldn’t be tolerated, a number of tackles he would absolutely make in an Ireland shirt he just fell off.

    He looked like he would rather be anywhere else. Maybe there’s an understandable reason for that but if there is give him some time off. If there isn’t it’s not acceptable and he shouldn’t be picked against Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,020 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There's lots of talent in that squad, the blame is firmly on the coaches and management.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Sorry but it's not all on the coaches. Discipline and execution of simple kicks is an individuals responsibility.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Its frustrating alright,that was a weak Ulster team.

    You cant blame management for Ioane missing very gettable kicks,or him taking the decision to go for touch at the end and then the unforgiveable execution. Neither can you blame them for a poor referee coming down on the side of Ulster or a moment of madness from Murphy.

    They can be blamed for lots of things but not the moments that lost Connacht that game.



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a dual responsibility. A strong management wouldn't tolerate that thuggery from Murphy. He almost cost us the game last week with a succession of brainless penalties and his carry on last night was disgusting. A strong management would nip that in the bud. After last week he should have been focused on being physical but disciplined. Whatever ban he gets shouldn't be appealed on a technicality or whatever. He needs to take responsibility for that and management do too. If he comes back and it happens again he should be let return to his medical career.

    The execution of simple kicks not coming off is 100% on management. It's clear Ioane carries a threat in attack but isn't a kicking option. He was a desperation signing in a position where we have ignored the problem for a number of years. If he's our 10 we need an appropriate kicking option Similarly Hanrahan should only have been a short term 1 year option while we figured out a long term plan but this management (coaching and upstairs) have ignored the elephant in the room for years and when you do that and get in lads who aren't up to it they will crumble in key moments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'The execution of simple kicks not coming off is 100% on management' That is nonsensical. It's entirely on the player.

    If you mean the player shouldn't be taking the kicks in the first place I agree.

    Regarding Murphy. His ill discipline is his own fault. He has to own that. Blaming his thuggish behaviour on others is diminishing his own responsibility. I would imagine his failings to himself and his team will be clearly spelt out this week.



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ultimately its two sides of the one coin. It's like for example putting a first year apprentice wiring a house and then blaming him when it goes up in flames. You can blame the person you brought in out of desperation for getting it wrong or you can look at your recruitment process and see that it was poor planning from Connacht in the first place that left them with inadequate options. If you want to blame a sub standard player for not being up to scratch that's fair enough but blaming someone for not being capable of doing a job they're not able to seems pointless.

    I never said Murphy didn't have to own it. He behaved like a thug and should accept the consequences but clearly the message about his indiscipline in Wales last week didn't get through during the week so I don't know why you expect it will get through this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Coach's live and die on the performances of their teams. This team is assembled and selected by the coaches and the outcomes on the pitch will determine the future of the coaches. As it should be.

    I am much happier with our intent and style of play so far this season than I was last season. I am not unhappy with the outcome of 13 points from a possible 20 to date.

    Heffernan, Joyce, Prendergast and Bmurphy were excellent yesterday and bundi, Bealham Sean o Brien were solid.

    Our back 3 are a slight concern. Cordero seems good positionally but not great under high ball and a little headless in attack. Mack looked great first 3 weeks but looked Injured yesterday and a bit off but he's quality and I'd back him. Bolton needs a run of games.

    I'm a big Josh Murphy fan, we desperately need his dog but it comes at a price sometimes. I'd play him every week because no one else in our team has his fight. Of course you want to channel it a bit better but let's be honest he took a yellow for the team in a maul on his own line. I've no issue with this. Silly and costly red though.

    Lastly, well done Ulster they targeted our ruck and brought huge physicality that took us 30 mins to get to grips with. Let's hope they bring the same to games against others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    So much of what has been good about Connacht’s pack’s performances over the past few weeks has been the intensity and aggression Josh Murphy has brought.

    Especially the last two weekends he’s gotten that completely wrong and become a liability but would agree, when he gets it sorted he’s still a starter in that pack for me who is crucially important. The comments calling him a thug etc from other posters to me are harsh and unfair.

    Pete Wilkins and Co deserved a lot of criticism last season, but this year to me Connacht look a lot better coached team with a coherent shape and attack. Josh Ioane (who’s largely been a good signing) has made two complete brain farts in 2 games, which have massively cost the team. That’s not on Wilkins for me.

    I also think they came out on the wrong side of seem really questionable and significant decisions last night which had an outsized impact on the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Josh is hardly a first year apprentice? Therefore the comparison is frankly ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha


    Ioane is the Kiwi Jack Carty, hope they didn't pay to much for him. That's twice in 2 winnable matches he's made a balls of it



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OK say putting a 1st line support person on charge of the back end server if you want another comparison. Ultimately you're putting someone at a job they're not capable of doing. A smarter person than me would come up with a more appropriate analogy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,318 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    I do think that Murphy has added some badly needed aggression and dog to the Connacht pack this season. Who were probably a bit too nice last year. 5 or 6 pens conceded last week and a yellow and a red this week is just overstepping the line though.

    Just watching the replay this morning and Ioane missed that touch by a mile. it wasn't even close. Really lost control of the kick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭lavrenti


    Josh Murphy will have a 3 or 4 game ban to work on how to channel his aggression. We need his aggression. He's a bloody good forward, but at this rate of transgression he's making Abraham Papali'i look like a saint!

    Agree Mack was poor last night (he waved Timoney through for the winning try) and if he's not held back by Ireland from the game against Leinster next weekend he should start 15. Cordero has been poor and needs to be dropped. Bring Jennings or Smith in at 14 and leave Bolton at 11. Next weekend also we need Forde either at 10 or at 12 to cover the kicks if either Carty or Ioane are selected at 10.

    The pack I thought were very good last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭digger958


    Couple of things here. Cordero is a winger by nature so Jennings at full back sounds good.

    As for previous post about trip to Perpignan. Flights with Aer Lingus to Barcelona turn out at 250 for 2 13th to 18th. Train to Barcelona Central station, train to Perpignan, stay 5 nights in Perpignan. Accomodations plus travel adds up to just below 600. Bit of grub, beer, game and extras means a decent week for not too much expense.

    Also Josh Murphy was excellent the first two games. He just has over intensified his efforts. Still a great man to have. Love his aggression



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,020 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭digger958


    Ah stop. Look at a team like Leinster and contrast it to Connacht. Leinster remind me in the rucks as a dog searching for a juicy bone. Connacht are docile in comparison. If you don't have that aggression you're just depending on fast ball to live. It's hard being on the back foot as a 10.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,020 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    Ioane didn't give away silly penalties giving access to our 22. Ioane can't stop a rolling maul. Ioane isn't responsible for other players missing tackles.

    Did he have the greatest game in the world? No. Should he have found touch at the end? Of course.

    But he certainly isn't the reason we lost the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    The last paragraph i think sums up a lot of people's frustration. These are Good players, a team like this was an absolute pipe dream to those of us who remember the 90s and 00s (Won't go back further to amateur days) When having an international was mind blowing and we were (Rightly) delighted to recruit Gavin Duffy and Johnny O' Connor. In the backs alone we have 2 fifty cap internationals and Hansen who will likely get to that mark. A capped all black who we've managed to turn into a scapegoat within 4 games. What's frustrating is who knows where Connacht will be down the line in 5,10,15,20 years, hopefully we'll still be able to field strong teams like this but who knows, this might be one of the best squads we ever put out and for years (even in Andy Freinds time) we're throwing away results on dumb and simple stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I’d hope the Forde comes back into the starting team this week. I’d prefer if he was at 12 but think it’ll be 13 outside Bundee. I’d also consider dropping POC back to 15 and Santi on the bench



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    Yeah, the jury is still very much out on Santi. For a full back, his tackling and confidence under the high ball are just not good enough in my opinion. Piers on the other hand has looked good no matter where we've started him.

    I remember Shane Jennings having a few nervy moments at full back last season, but maybe worth giving him another shot their either? He's a big lad and exciting with ball in hand and some space to run into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I think we have two issues with squad balance.

    1. We have an abundance of talented back 3 options, but most if not all are more comfortable on the wing than at fullback.
    2. We have an abundance of talented centres, but most are more comfortable at inside than outside centre.

    We have tried to address these issues in a number of ways, trying the likes of , Smith, Hansen, and Jennings at 15, Forde at 13, etc. The only experiment we really persisted with was Hawkshaw at 13, which was not a success in my opinion.

    One solution I have been mulling over is O'Conor at 15 and Gavin at 13, starting with the home game against the Dragons. I think this improves our first choice back 3, and gets our best young player (possibly ever) into the team, skipping the enormous logjam at 12. On the flip side, it leaves Hansen, Cordero, Bolton, Jennings, Mullins, Smith, etc. competing for two jerseys, so we would have a lot of talent sitting in the stands. It also potentially jeopardises Gavin's development by moving him away from his best position at a key stage of his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭digger958


    The question that needs to be asked is how do we beat Leinster this coming weekend? So with that as the starting point what will make the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭digger958


    Cordero on the bench as 23 is certainly not going to help as he is not a utility back. He either starts or is not included



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Good question. If you want to follow the Ulster template from last season you'd probably pick Carty and try beat the blitz with attacking kicks. You'd also want Forde in the team to kick goals, if we're going to win it will be a close game. Maybe dust Niall Murray off for his defensive lineouts, with Leinster being forced to go so far down the depth chart at hooker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Leinster don’t look brilliant, don’t get me wrong they should still beat 90% of URC games no bother.

    Their attack still isn’t clicking and while their scramble defence is unreal, they concede a lot of line breaks. I can easily see Ben a Murphy scoring off first phase or a bit of Mack magic getting through.

    Against Leinster you also need to take advantage at scrum time. I think D Murray and Joyce behind Buckley Heff and Bealham will be key.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭testtech05


    RTE reporting the results of Murphys hearing.


    4 week ban for Murphy



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