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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The E1 and E2 are going to be busy enough as it is serving the Ballymun Corridor.

    I’ve said it before that you’d need another route to serve the airport apart from them because otherwise you’d potentially cause serious loading problems for the service along that corridor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I meant the D4. The D4 won't be directly serving Beaumont Hospital , that will be the A1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭thomasj




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭jd


    D4 looks like it will be going through Beaumont Hospital campus, presumably with a stop near the main reception

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭BusGuy


    "The NTA plans to further expand the network, with the inner orbital Route O scheduled for implementation next year and N8 linking Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport to follow in a later phase, the coming months."

    "will be followed by 24-hour Spines E1, and E2, Radial route 19 , Local routes L1, L2, L3 L12, L14, L15, L26, L27 and Express routes X1 and X2, in the coming months.

    Interesting.., the 39A is after the 46A for the butcher's block.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭DaBluBoi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Anyone explain the timetable on N2?

    20:55 ex Heuston scheduled to complete route in 38m Mon-Fri, 42m Sat, 47m Sun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭VG31


    From looking at Bus Times today, the biggest delay on the N2 towards Clontarf was the Griffith Avenue/Ballymun Road junction. It took 10 minutes to go one stop for much of the day.

    The Swords Road junction actually seemed to be moving fairly quickly.

    https://bustimes.org/services/n2-clontarf-station-heuston-train-stn/vehicles?date=2024-09-30#



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Probably more to do with duty hours than anything else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Yes again Kildare Street, Molesworths Street and Merrion Sq West are closed off to traffic due to a possible protest. Yet again the south city is at a complete standstill with bus routes severely impacted.

    At this stage, and with continued protests likely in the future, should a plan not be devised to deal with this? It is a sad reflection that the closure of 3 streets in the centre of Dublin has such a negative impact on public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Doubt it, GAI aren't as finicky about exact minutes as DB, nor are they the kind of people to adjust timings to the point of absurd for the sake of a legal duty. I think what happened here is that the weekend timing adjustment bands are set up way too late. They are all reduced to 38' journey time every day, it's just that on Saturdays and Sundays it's far later – and while I can understand Saturdays, Sundays not so much.

    In any case I personally believe that there's going to be an adjustment of timings before the year is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 cantthinkofausername1


    The new 19 bus that's going into service in November kinda reminds me of the former 19a bus that also served St Mobhis Road and Ballymun Road (that the new 19 will also serve), it's interesting that some route numbers are making a comeback after years of being gone, same with the current 74 which serves Rathfarnham, Willbrook and Ballyboden which the former route 74a also served until it was replaced by the 15b in 2011 via Network Direct



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Woah


    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/busconnects-is-taking-away-identity-of-ballyfermot-says-parish-priest/a1128014770.html

    Are these concerns legitimate? The roundabout being "iconic" is nonsense but turning ballyfernot road by the shops one way does seem like it will turn all the surrounding residential streets into a rat run or is something being done to prevent that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    This went through 3 rounds of consultation and a planning hearing.

    What more do these people expect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    There was a two month period during which An Bord Pleanála’s decision could be appealed. No such appeals were submitted during this period.

    If they had such big concerns over it why did no-one appeal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭danfrancisco83


    Not legitimate concerns IMO. He's playing to his audience, older people in Ballyfermot fearful of change. There was a roundabout years ago just up the road outside Molloys, it was replaced with traffic lights and there is no issue with tailbacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The radial route numbers rise in anti-clockwise order around the city starting on Amiens Street utilising numbers not currently in use (save for the 37 inexplicably).

    Nothing more complicated than that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    The most confusing part about the Blanch radials is that very little actually changes on the routes, so why they can't remain 37/38/39 is odd.

    Just swap which routes serve Laurel Lodge/Carpenterstown and Blanch Village/Clonsilla Road, and leave the numbers as is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 cantthinkofausername1


    The 37 is actually staying (even the route number) even after BusConnects, just that it would be rerouted to Clonsilla Road instead



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The route 83 re-routing to cover off the section of St. Agnes Park that lost its bus service with the 17 ceasing is due to take effect from the 20th October. Will mean the 83 will now also serve Ashleaf Shopping Centre.

    https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/revised-routing-on-route83

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s a very positive change.

    It was bizarre how the removal of the link between Sundrive Road and Crumlin Village was overlooked when the orbitals were launched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I didn't reply to this earlier, but I did want to make a few observations.

    Firstly, it was agreed long ago here by the mods that the term "granny bus" wasn't acceptable - to be honest it's a pretty insulting term for those people who use local community bus routes. Plenty of people, young and old, use bus routes that serve local communities for any number of reasons, and there is no need to patronise them.

    Secondly, the 19 isn't going to be hourly. It's going to be every 20 minutes, and it will be more frequent at peak.

    Thirdly, expecting any major routing changes of the radials going forward such as you're suggesting isn't going to happen at this late stage. The NTA have settled on the routings except for minor changes. Aside from that, the 80 for example has a major student flow from Churchtown to Rathmines, and your idea would cause ructions!

    The numbering of radial routes relates not just to the routing, but also to the frequency integration.

    Radial routes are not integrated with the Spine routes for timetabling purposes, and in general will operate to/from the city centre only rather than along the full core section of a Spine most of which stretch significantly cross-city. The 6 for example, operating hourly, cannot be integrated into the H-Spine schedules where the combined frequency is every 7.5 minutes.

    There is a reason for the numbering and that was explained by Jarrett Walker at the outset.

    Finally I do find it a bit amusing that you're now observing that the 24 is not serving the city centre, given your previous complaints about more buses not serving Church Street! The 24 does actually serve Dame Street & Georges Street, areas where there are numerous hotels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Lol there's something missing from this but can't put my finger on it.... Shows up under revised 43 times

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The routings are changing though.

    The 34 will serve Laurel Lodge and Carpenterstown, routing via Phibsboro.

    The 35 won't serve Mulhuddart, Ladyswell or Damastown (as per the 38).

    The 37 will no longer serve Laurel Lodge and Carpenterstown, but will serve Blanchardstown Village and Clonsilla Road.

    It makes far more sense to change all of the numbers given the scale of changes, as they are doing everywhere else across the city. I think that keeping the 37 is just asking for trouble, as it is going to cause a lot of confusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The full timetable is appearing when I click on the link on the website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Thats strange , if you click on the revised page from the timetable list page, it's bringing up blank/incomplete timetable . Same for the C2 timetable

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It works perfectly for me on my phone and laptop from both the news page and the timetable list.

    Sounds like it is a problem with your device!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 cantthinkofausername1


    The reason why the 37 is still gonna be called the 37 is because all the other route numbers from 31-39 have been either used before BusConnects or after BusConnects (since BusConnects uses route numbers that aren't used from the route network before BusConnects rolled out) , maybe they could've renamed the 37 the 30 since that number hasn't been used before BusConnects



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Believe it or not, they could have used the next available number.

    There’s nothing to say that it has to be between 30 and 39.



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