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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    I sometimes get the 41 at regular office commuting times and it's busy but rarely ever full. It probably needs to be more frequent during the night than the day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I agree with that . They need to look at increasing the frequency for the 15, 39a and 41. They've become such a success that their existing resources are struggling with the demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Yep the 39a stop at Blackhall place must be the busiest single stop outside the quays as its the LUAS interchange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    You can't get on the 39a in stoneybatter after midnight from Thursday to Sunday. Completely wedged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    It's been like that for a long time anyway. Between 8 and 9 in the morning, traffic backed up all the way from Deansgrange to the N11. And also from Bakers Corner to Deansgrange. And from the TK Roundabout to Bakers Corner. And from Lidl on Pottery Road to Bakers Corner. Monkstown Farm is no better - traffic clogged almost the entire length of the road every afternoon. I'd hate to have to live there.

    Traffic layout isn't the problem. Traffic is. There are too many cars in the area, and public transport has absolutely zero priority over them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I've failed to get on a bus at Wood Quay a few times after nights out from my closest bars so walk further up to Aston Quay which can sometimes not be guaranteed either. It's amusing sometimes waiting for a bus there outside R.I.O.T at about 2am as you end up sharing standing space with the punters!

    Taxis must be taking a hit at weekends from a lot of areas now as more 24hr services are rolled out.

    How did wee hours shift workers actually commute prior to the 24 hour services?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭AX636


    And where will these drivers appear from to operate this said service, I did the 6 am service from abbey on Saturday and was full by the time I got to mountjoy square, if the 16 started earlier on Saturday and Sunday it would help. Nothing will be done until people complain to the NTA, TFI and Dublin Bus.

    What I have heard is the bill won't change till the A-spine comes in and when that does the 41 and 41C equivalent will not be going through the airport



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It will be the A2 that will go to the Airport, the replacement for the 41 is the A4 and will head to Swords skipping the airport as you say.

    I'd assume both the A2 and A4 will be 24/7 routes, that might help distribute the load at night between people heading to the Airport or to Swords.

    My concern is the airport the rest of the day, the A2 is currently scheduled to have less frequency then the 16/41 combined. I think that is completely unworkable. I suspect the A2 will need more frequency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Is E spine launch still pegged for November or has anyone heard different? Heuston Bridge needs sorting ASAP before the O starts, we can't have O doing the same detour S2 does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭choo choo man


    Does anyone know when the Blanchardstown Bus Connects will be starting or when the N8 airport bus will start? Although approved by ABP, I understand there was some detail left out of the information pack on line hence the set back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The E Spine launch date is still Sunday 24th November.

    The network and the core bus corridors (infrastructure) are separate projects.

    There have been applications for judicial review against the An Bord Pleanala approval for the Blanchardstown Core Bus Corridor, so it’s anyone’s guess as to when that might happen.

    As far as the network goes, the N8 was a late addition to the new network plan and will be towards the end - probably in 2026. The B-Spine phase is the second last phase which will likely also be in 2026.

    It’s impossible to give accurate dates as each phase is entirely dependent on sufficient drivers being hired, additional buses being available, and the additional funding being made available too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    I definitely think that somewhere in the multitude of BC threads on this and the Infra forum I also said the A2 needs more frequency. But then someone replied saying it was unnecessary to give that level of service to the southside of the route 🤔

    To recall what I suggested — whichever route serves the airport needs to run at double frequency compared to the rest of the A-spine; and to help keep it clockface, merge the proposed Northside 22 and Southside 80 radials into an A5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,931 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Do you think the L27 will have a difficult job in keeping up to schedule along Monkstown Farm when it comes into replace the 63 from late November?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    My concern is the airport the rest of the day, the A2 is currently scheduled to have less frequency then the 16/41 combined. I think that is completely unworkable. I suspect the A2 will need more frequency.

    Actually double checking the planned frequencies I should take this back. It looks like the A2 + 22 will combine for the same frequency as the 16 + 41 at peak times at least (I only checked that time). The 22 is really the 41 replacement, rather then the A4.

    Then you will also have the 19 and 24.

    So perhaps not so bad. Though I would like to see the A2 be at least 10 minutes frequency rather then 12. Most tourists I'd expect will head for the A2.

    In the past I've suggested a semi stopping PSO route with limited stops, just the following stops:

    • Dublin Airprot
    • Santry Avenue / Coolock lane, N6 Interchange
    • Collins Avenue, N4 interchange
    • Griffith Avenue, N2 interchange
    • Drumcondra train station
    • North Cicular Road, O route interchange
    • City center.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    The O route is is a separate phase to the E spine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    The 19 and 24 will only really be suitable for people travelling from the airport to Northside suburbs. You wouldn't want to take them to the city centre. They will make the 16 look like an express bus! I can imagine tourists might see "Dublin Airport" on the 19/24 in town and take them to the airport.

    They should reduce the numbers taking the Swords Road buses a little at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    It was always bad there but the recent changes have made it an awful lot worse and the congestion is extending to weekends and late evenings which was never the case before. I think it's nonsensical to be trying to improve the bus service while at the same time narrowing the junctions - same issue with the S8 trying to get up Newtownpark Avenue now that the free flow filter lane has been removed. Apart from the fact that there are two supermarkets, two churches and a number of schools in the area, there also the NCT Centre so there will always be car traffic along the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Player_86


    Is there any update on when the F-Spine will launch? Specifically, I’m interested in when buses will start travelling on Cypress Grove Road in Templeogue (buses don’t use it at present, but the stops have been installed). Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The 22 replaces the 41c not the 41. It won’t serve the airport.

    The A4 is a more direct version of the 41 avoiding the Airport.

    Swords will have the L81, L83 and L85 to the airport.

    They need another route along the Swords Road to deliver a 6 min frequency to/from the Airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭jd


    Traffic light sequence will need to be amended at Sword Rd and Mobhi Road junctions. That black car (Audi) was still at the Mobhi Road stop a short while ago. Clamped now..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Remember that the 80 is going to go to Palmerstown (replacing the 26), so I don’t think that’s an option.

    Perhaps the solution is another radial between the Airport and Palmerston Park in Rathmines (in sync with the A2), thereby removing the diversion that the 80 is planned to take via Highfield Road, would solve the problem of frequency at the Airport, and also provides a sweeper route for Rathmines.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Should really be towed instead.

    Yes, my bad, I misread the map.

    So the A2 would be a significant reduction in frequency and capacity to the airport versus the 16/41 at the moment, from 9 buses per hour (16 + 41) to just 5 pre hour for the A2!

    As you say the A2 or some version of it needs to have a 6 minute frequency to match.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    BTW the N2 buses position appear to be tracking now in the apps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    What about the option of extending the D4 to the Airport and running every 12 minutes ?

    Would serve part of the Swords Road, would provide an Airport connection for the Crumlin and Malahide Road corridors , would keep the Beaumont connection for staff living there and would increase the frequency to the Airport.

    Post edited by thomasj on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    While it definitely looks like there won't be enough capacity to the airport, I don't think they necessarily have to match the current 16 + 41 capacity.

    From my own experience of using the 41 a lot, I've observed these primary groups of passengers.

    1. Northbound
      1. People going to Swords
      2. Staff going to the airport (also use 16 and even 33/41c in some cases)
      3. People going to stops before the airport (notably Northwood and Airways Industrial Estate)
      4. People going from the airport to Swords (mostly staff)
      5. Airline passengers travelling to the airport
    2. Southbound
      1. People going from Swords to the city centre or stops other than the airport
      2. Staff travelling from the airport (also use 16 and even 33/41c in some cases)
      3. Airline passengers travelling from the airport
      4. People going from Swords to the airport (mostly staff)
      5. People getting on after the airport (Northwood is usually busiest stop)

    The order can vary a lot depending on the time of day. For instance, group 1c is significant in the morning but small for the rest of the day.

    Although I've never taken the 41 in the early AM, the airport seems to be the vast majority of demand at that time.

    The changes I would expect for these groups in terms of using the A2 are

    • Northbound
      • 1a - no longer applicable
      • 1b - similar but some should move to the 19 and 24
      • 1c - unchanged but I think the routes going to Swords and bypassing the airport are enough to compensate for this
      • 1d - Will use L81 instead
      • 1e - unchanged mostly
    • Southbound
      • 2a - no longer applicable
      • 2b - similar but some should move to the 19 and 24
      • 2c - unchanged mostly
      • 2d - Will use L81 instead
      • 2e - Not an issue for passengers getting on at the airport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    You can still keep the western part of the 80, just curtail it to Ringsend or The Point or something. Alternatively merge the 22 and the 85 into an A5; move the 80 to follow the F-spine per the 85 alignment, and have the 81 cover Highfield Road?

    I just really dislike the concept of radial routes that also follow spine routes. They really need to be merged into the spine where possible. I have similar gripes with the 20/21 following the D-spine (really should be part of the spine routes), the 6 following the H-spine (should really be an H4), the 52 following the C-spine, and the 98 following the B-spine.

    The D5? Do you not mean the D4 which currently is earmarked to terminate at Coolock? I'm not sure you'd want to risk clogging up the Beaumont Hospital bus with airport passengers.

    I think they may argue that with the addition of the 19 (1 per hour) and the 24 (3 per hour) you get to the same level of service; but the 19 is a windy Ballymun granny bus that only goes to Parnell Square, and the 24 is a Finglas suburb service that doesn't go near the heart of the capital where the tourists are likely to be headed.

    This is precisely why the A2 needs a 6-minute service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I would regard a link between the Airport and the city centre as a special case and should be a high frequency, stand-alone route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    For reference I have actually emailed local TDs and received some responses. They are aware of the over loading on the 41 during the early hours, but they don't have the resources to increase it at the moment.

    The NTA have said any increases will be part of the wider bus connects project and will be rolled out in conjunction with other 24 routes across the city, so basically nothing will happen until the A spine is launched. Still the frequency in the early AM won't be sufficient. It needs to be every 15 minutes to carry the road at least.

    One glaringly obvious option is to run the E1 through Northwood and on to the airport (permission being given by Northwood estate of course).

    This would link the whole Ballymun Rd to the airport and right across the city without too much of a circular route.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The D4 should be going to the airport anyway as well.



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