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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I would guess it’s whoever offers the best time/cost, but at least if we actually do buy direct once it opens the door for future buys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I note, in a tangentially related policy change, the Tánaiste has instructed the DoD to reject any and all tenders for military items submitted from Israel, to be rejected.

    There goes Jonny's dream of an armada of F-35 I Adirs anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭sparky42


    not a huge surprise, I see the reasoning is for the ICJ ruling on their occupation, though I wonder if it’s in part a response to the reported overflight of arms? Or just making certain that if we are opening the savings and actually buying stuff that at least the usual suspects can’t say we are buying from Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    All of the above no doubt.

    Especially as we enter an election season here, where foreign policy will be perhaps more important than it has been for a while in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Actually…I'm pretty down to earth on what I would like for the new Air and Space Force 18 FA50's and a half dozen Super Tucanos should do the trick. Possibly substitute the Saab for the FA50'S.... over to the politicians after the election!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Ironcially on saturday my colleague sent me a picture from the offical usaf media report on the usaf/ air corps programme that i had posted and in the pictures of the irish 139 there is stickers in the cockpit saying No Hoist operations, No Cargo operations, and something about faults.

    Time for new helicopters asap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭mupper2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    A month later and I still manage to laugh at this on an almost daily basis!!!! 😝😝😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Thats enough Internet for you. Brush your teeth and go straight to bed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    [MOD]

    @Dohvolle , @California Dreamer

    Guys, the joke has worn thin. There is no need to be continuing it and it's turning into a personal and public spat which the rest of us don't need to be reading. If you dislike each other, fine. Leave the rest of the world out of it.

    [/MOD]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    New Garda H145 chopper (though not yet complete) has been seen at the factory in Donauworth. Serial 287 is worn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Does the 287 number mean it will be here before the Transport Casa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Well, obviously.

    But this business of issuing registry numbers randomly through the sequence is messy.

    It should still be done like it used to be, ie, the PC12s 280-283, C295s 290-292, additional helicopters and replacement fleet 30x, 31x, 32x serialised by type.

    To my mind Garda aircraft shouldn't even be on the military register, but I accept for the time being that the ASU isn't going to be moved away from the Air Corps, even though it should be operated by a civilian contractor, with Garda operations staff on board. Wouldn't it be the perfect bed fellow for a shared facility at Weston?

    In the absence of that, the new Garda fleet should be 301-303 and subsequent new Air Corps types pushed out to 31x etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    No idea - 286 hasn't been used yet so may be held for the third C295.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    There looking to build a private air ambulance base in mayo. I can think of a few safety and insurance issues here.

    Also considering 112 and the possabile replacement of 112 with a private hse contractor i can see a few other problems.

    Not sure what is going on with the current HEMS tender but i wonder is the hse crewing situation having an effect since the consultants pointed out the AP is not enoght and it should be a Emergency ED Doctor on board as best practice.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0921/1471235-air-ambulance-base-mayo/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,322 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    For the umpteenth time in recent years countries are about to scamble to evacuate their citizens from another conflict zone - this time Lebanon.

    Who are the Irish calling this time? The French most likely yet again.

    I pity the poor chosen one in the DFA who has to make the beg call. I mean, it must be degrading. Not a single heavy lift aircraft to fly out and bring home whoever needs to be brought home.

    A country swimming in money that just can't be arsed and they know it.

    Irish citizens left to the kindness of others.

    I hope whoever receives the call says "no" and makes it public as to why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Any Irish Citzen still there does not deserve help. The DFA have been telling people to leave for weeks so thats on the people not the state.

    As for the troops that is a UN Mission with 10k personal the UN Nations will work together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭vswr


    I agree with the sentiment, but, the fatal flaw in the argument is, Ireland paid money to countries who supported previous airlifts, so not exactly charity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,360 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    An we will have 2 C17s in a few weeks in casement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I did have that feeling when I saw the article in the Indo yesterday about a family that flew out in the last couple of weeks for a funeral now saying the government should “do something”…

    Anyone with even the slightest cop on knew this was coming, why would you choose to go there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    For a funeral of course. I mean it only takes a day or two.…and civil flights are still ongoing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There is already a standby arrangement with the British government to evacuate the Irish Batt to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. Presumably Irish civilians would be taken by the same route.

    On Monday the British ordered the forward deployment of some 700 Army and Air Force personnel to Cyprus to be ready for this mission. In the circumstances I can't see the need for Irish special operations units to go this time, as we have some very experienced troops on the ground.

    I respect people's position here bemoaning the lack of tactical transport still, but I think the government has done the right thing by making provisional arrangements with the Brits, rather than the panic that went on in Kabul and Sudan or whatever kip it was.

    Lets face it, even we had the 295W, it would take 4 or 5 lifts unladen or 8 to 10 lifts with full personal kit to fully evac our own battalion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Well....the 295 has its shortcomings and an Embraer 390 would have been a better buy. Anyway, the mooted purchase of a MRV for the navy would give us the ability to act autonomously and indeed give others a hand out for a change. Looks like another project that has been kicked into the long grass….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭tippilot


    There will be nothing autonomous about deploying MRV's into conflict zones if we don't dispense with our allergy to proper self defence capability for ships. Our part time Minister for Defencelessness seems to think it's adequate to simply have a radar to let you know you're under attack. And even that capability doesn't yet exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Well..depends on the spec of the MRV. My idea was for a proper MRV which was heavily armed and had the capability to carry out a contested beach landing of several company's of troops and IFV'S, attack helicopters on board etc,Along with being a hospital ship and capable of use for humanitarian purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The MRV contract is also going to be announced during the election campaign.

    But as for other types of planes, and what not, theres not much point complaining about what we don't have and what isn't on order or in the capital equipment programme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭sparky42


    after so long and at least two other GE campaigns, I’m still going to “wait and see”, at this stage it seems everything is going to be announced during the election campaign, which seems pointless as Defence procurement isn't going to win votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Most of the current gen Amphib ships in Europe have fairly basic self defence systems, with escorts being used for the wider defence environment, since we aren’t going to be buying any Frigates if the MRV ever happens, and is used in hostile areas it will be as part of a wider deployment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭mupper2


    While I agree with the general idea of getting the best ship we can, just a few points..

    No ones amphibs anywhere are "heavily armed" the most even US, Chinese etc ones have are MR-SAMS and even then only the America class is armed with those, everyone elses is point defence missiles and medium calibre guns.

    If the NS MRV needs a defensive system something like the Millennium system from Rheinmetall will cover 95% of any scenarios.

    No one has carried out a seriously contested amphibious landing in decades and now with the proliferation of advanced systems from armed UAV/USV/UUV, to AShM to guided ballistic missiles among even NSA it's a different all game to what those previous Amphious ops had to contend with….

    No point a small force like ours factoring in doing something like that when much larger forces have starting to disregard it as viable..

    The only ones seriously planning and prepping to put a force ashore across a contested beach is the Chinese because of Taiwan…and that's going to be WWII style bloody either way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Absolutely it can, so long as the messaging is right, especially for the constituencies that will be impacted most.

    Dun Laoghaire Naval Station: "New investment in this historic and iconic harbour, rejuvenation, employment, recruitment, footfall to the local area etc"

    MRV: "Massive backing for a revitalised 21st Century Navy, transformed shore facilities at the Naval Base, huge career opportunities, special operations force maritime element, jobs, innovation, education, skills, security, the marine environment, blah blah blah."



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