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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Compromise between who and who?

    Lots of extremely wealthy folks get on buses regularly, you don't know how any particular demographic travels.

    This isn't Victorian Britain, we don't have have bend the knee for folks based on their perceived financial status, if they dont want to travel that's up to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They use all the money from motor tax to build green ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    This poster is clearly just a wind-up merchant if they still don't understand motor tax after all the replies. Best to ignore them as they're derailing the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The funding is centralised now, as you rightly say. The article i looked up was before the changes were made to centralise the spend.

    That said, given we have record number of cars on the road and likley record motor tax revenue, the amount of funding directly generated by drivers is almost certianly higher than ever.

    Even if some of that spend does not go directly towards road maintenance, it will free up other monies to do so; drivers are still paying into the pot & in record numbers.

    That pot does facilitate road maintenance and improvements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I suspect many who are giving out about the bus gate never actually drive or use these routes, and thus not actually inconvenienced.

    Not that you have to use the route to have an opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I didn't intend to derail the thread so won't post on the subject from here on.

    My point is that car drivers still have a voice in this debate and shutting off car park access to the city centre will have a negative impact on city generated revenue, as well as the associated jobs.

    I am in favour of the prioritisation of public transport, but not to the point where cars are restricted from driving to park in the city, in order to contribute to the local economy.

    The current plan is a fair compromise in this regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    So you now admit you were completely wrong? And for some reason it took you multiple posts to do so, despite being given a direct quote from the minister showing you were wrong? And now, even knowing you're wrong, you are continuing to push an absolute fabrication, just because it suits your narrative?

    likley record motor tax revenue

    Yet another swing and a miss. Motor tax revenue is way down from what it was. You have already been given a link showing that it fell every year between 2015 and 2019. That trend has continued, and in 2023 is now down 36% from what it was in 2015.

    Here's an idea: the next time you have a thought, how about you actually go and do some research before posting it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,275 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    anyone see what it was like on the quays today? was the perfect storm for bad traffic, first day back for schools and torrential rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭jlang


    I went from Heuston as far as Christchurch at 9am. Never seen traffic so light. Turned off well before the bus gate so can't comment on downstream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,275 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    maybe but nothing clogs up the city like a bit of baisteach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Used to find when I used to cycle it was easier on wet days due to the gridlock. Train trends to be busier also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It will be worse tomorrow. WFH still lightens the traffic on Mondays and Fridays.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    The part that is motor tax wouldn't even come close to covering road maintenance, motorists are the most subsidised group of Irish Tax Payers, as I have said before. I benefit myself but I am not foolish enough to claim my motor tax, VAT on fuel etc comes close to covering the cost of road maintenance and servicing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭rgfuller


    The quays were very light (car wise) around 8.45am today, going from Heuston to Rosie Hackett Bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭MrRigsby


    There should be a delay on major restrictions on car use until we have a fit for purpose public transport system. Our public transport is a joke . Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously hasn’t travelled abroad. Visitors from London or Paris must think they’ve travelled back in time . A lot of people working in Dublin don’t live there , need to carry equipment/tools or work unsocial shifts so cars aren’t a choice but a necessity. Take Navan in Meath for example , one of many large commuter towns around Dublin . The nearest railway station at is M3 Parkway which is 25 minutes by car . A bus service runs to Bracetown if you fancy walking the last few kms on unlit roads. The station runs a very limited number of trains per day and doesn’t operate at all on weekends! There is a bus service (NX Route ) operated by Bus Eireann that is so notoriously unreliable there is a Facebook forum for disgruntled users and endless meetings with BE management and local representatives . It’s hardly a surprise the M3 and Navan Road is bumper to bumper most mornings . We have no underground in Dublin or plans to build one despite every other major capital city having one. If they want to cut down on traffic perhaps a clampdown on uninsured (1 in 12 private cars ) and unlicensed drivers would be a start to whittling down the numbers rather than inconveniencing lawful road users trying to get to work in the city to pay for all these bollards , gates and cycle lanes dreamed up by some unqualified cretins in DCC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    You say public transport needs to improve yet when a measure is introduced to do just that you say that it should be delayed! You can't have streets clogged with cars and expect smooth running bus services.

    I'm not sure what you mean about no "underground" being planned. Haven't you heard about Metrolink?

    Also, how many people travelling from Navan need to drive along the quays?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    An underground in Dublin isn't ever going to reach Navan.

    The issue of commuting from Navan is entirely caused by deciding to live in Navan.

    M3 and Navan has been bumper to bumper long before cycle lanes and bus gates.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    There's so much of your post that does not deal with reality. I'm at pains to say, even if it's a somewhat harsh reality, that the writing has been on the wall for driving into the city centre for decades.

    The hard reality is that Dublin is growing, and improving sustainable transport in the Dublin City and Suburbs area cannot wait until it is perfect everywhere else. You're basically asking for a delay in public transport improvements until public transport is improved—it's nonsense.

    A large percentage of traffic on the M3 and other motorways goes nowhere near the city centre. Most people from outer commuter areas driving towards Dublin are going to places closer to the M50, and even a large number driving to the city centre will still be unable to do so.

    And large numbers from outside the M50 also take public transport into the city centre. That includes taking buses or trains directly from towns they live in or live near and using park-and-ride (both official and ad-hoc), and some even using park-and-cycle ad-hoc).

    Inside the M50, "bumper to bumper" usually means that very few people are actually being moved, and far more people are in the bus lanes beside them.

    MetroLink and Dart+ are in planning; the former is largely underground. But we're talking about traffic on the quays where there were ~200 cars per hour on the north quays and ~390 on the south quays at O'Connell Bridge. You don't need a metro to replace that level of traffic.

    London carries more people on buses than on the full Tube network, and London and—and more so—Paris has made huge surface-level changes to reduce ars, and people are still saying the same things as you are.

    Change is messy. People visiting other cities need to stop thinking that they didn't have to fight for surface-level public transport priority and their nice public spaces etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭atilladehun


    I'm hugely affected by the changes. I travelled east to west on the quays each morning. It was a 30-35 minute drive. Traffic was never bad. (My drive home is much more varied)

    Public transport is 90mins door to door. Can't cycle due to injury.

    This morning was 65 minutes along the canal. Have tried leeson street and south circular other mornings.

    In general I'm happy for these changes but obviously it would have suited me if the south bus gate started at 9am.

    I can confidently say work has not been done to provide alternative routes that work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,677 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What alternatives do you would help. The roads are full.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    I travel by public transport most days to (not through) the City Centre so I'm not impacted either positively or negatively by the changes on the quays. However, I do think that some attention needs to be given to public transport elsewhere in the city. Last Tuesday the secondary schools went back and there was an immediate impact on buses and Luas (I take both) to the point that you simply couldn't get on some services at peak times. From experience of previous years, this settles down a little bit over September but when the third level colleges go back it becomes impossible with the upshot being that if you want to get onto a public transport service you need to leave earlier and earlier.

    I don't know why so many drive in and out of the city - particularly in the winter months. What I do know is that if a reasonable percentage of drivers decided to get onto public transport instead, there is simply no room for them. I also suspect the fact that so many office workers are not doing five days in the office anymore is also masking a lot of the public transport deficiencies in this regard and I doubt the system could cope if we went back to the pre-COVID ways of working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The negative effect of shutting off car park access to the city centre on city generated revenue and jobs will be small in comparision to the much bigger positive effect of better public transport access to the city centre. Revenue and jobs as a result will increase in the city centre, not to mention the positive public health effects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There is an inherent inconsistency in your post. On the one hand, you call for Dublin to be more like Paris and London, yet on the other hand you complain about the very things that have made Paris and London centres so easy to get around - major restrictions on cars, priority in the city centre for buses, pedestrians and cyclists, the banning of cars, and the tolls on cars where they are not banned, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My friends who visit from London mostly think we are feckless ejits because we can't perform a simple task like carry tools or a bit of shopping on to a bus or how our heads explode at the idea of multi mode commuting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭traco


    Can somone explain what people are driving into the city to buy that requires cars? All the big box shops for TV's, home appliances etc are available in the suburbs. Anything in the shops in the center is typically high value and usually portable enough. If I want to buy something in the city I hop on the train as its faster and cheaper than parking in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    You need something the size of a Range Rover to transport a Brown Thomas handbag home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,677 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There IS a huge amount of attention being given to public transport elsewhere. The BusConnects scheme is rebuilding the bus network from scratch, while keeping day to day services running. There are significant investments in the fleet and capacity.

    If buses can get through the city faster, that in itself will allow capacity to increased.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    From buses alone?

    I remain unconvinced, but each to their own.



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