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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users Posts: 47 William_Flynn


    The council has been pushing traffic onto the quays for decades, by closing alternative routes (which I had no problems with). Now they are blocking the quays in places, without showing where the traffic should go access parts of the city centre (where currently one is forced onto the quays).



  • Registered Users Posts: 47 William_Flynn


    I can’t use public transport during rush hour, due to Asthma. Within 5 minutes of being on an overcrowded commuter train, I got an asthma attack which took two days recover from.

    Without medical exemptions, all these car restrictions do is exclude me from the city centre. Or in other words, the policies make me disabled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Private cars can still access the city, but there should be a reduction in pollution as a result which everyone will benefit from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,501 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    no they don't, you still have multiple options. firstly you can still drive and just sit longer in traffic, or taxi or walk or cycle or use a motorbike.

    frankly you are just being ridiculous. Have you even looked for information regarding the alternative routes?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Compo82


    Dublin City Centre will just turn into a wasteland with scumbags hanging around, no shops as the numbers coming into town will just reduce, it's actually ridiculous what they are proposing. Dublin City Council just ruining Dublin together with Eamon Ryan.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,780 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nobody is being stopped from driving in to the city centre

    It is the tiny number driving through the city centre, not going or stopping anywhere there, but holding up the buses and trams carrying many multiples the numbers of people that are going to be affected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Nothing to do with a Bus Lane, more to do with the Justice system and number of Gardai on the streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭trellheim


    But it IS only a tiny number. A few years ago I would have agreed, but you look at OCS/OCB now and there's very very few indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That's what we've been told but it's not actually the case. The new bus gates limit access to destinations to the east of O'connell St not just through traffic.

    Congestion on the quays is bad essentially for one reason, the sequences of traffic lights - particularly the operation of the bus crossover light. This light forces traffic down to a single lane and has poor timings



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,716 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Rightfully so, we have to prioritise buses over cars. The buses on the quays carry vastly more people then the cars do.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,902 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Really looking forward to it myself, should make my cycle commute through the city centre a little bit less life threatening 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 transportrian


    Since the NTA started recording the trips in between the canals of the city centre (2006) sustainable modes of travel have always been higher than car trips. CC business is doing just fine and will continue to do so..

    Yet a lot of space is allocated to cars which doesn't represent the fact that the majority of people don't drive into the CC, the bus gates are just one element of the transport plan that will help improve the experience for the majority of people crossing the canals, allowing PT to function better making it more attractive to use thus hopefully increasing usage. Also per the public consultation, people are in favour of this plan.

    It's now up to DCC & relevant stakeholders to implement it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,719 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    People need to remember that the number of buses using the Quays east of Winetavern Street will increase significantly when the D-Spine phase of BusConnects happens.

    That will see a large number of routes re-routed away from Dame Street / College Green to the Quays which is one of the changes to facilitate the College Green Plaza.

    Maintaining the status quo on the Quays just isn’t an option once that happens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I disagree, throughput of people should be the priority. This means that buses should get priority but doesn't mean that others get unduly delayed either.

    The sequencing of the bus crossover doesn't appear to be demand led and it certainly isn't throughput led. So what happens is that it turn green for a bus, which may or may not be present. When it does turn green for a bus it stays green for them long after all bus traffic has cleared the crossover.

    At the moment it's a pseudo bus gate, designed to delay and frustrate drivers of cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Let's get some facts from the actual plan into this thread:

    • Private vehicle traffic along the North and South Quays will be removed at Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay, leaving the space for buses, taxis, cyclists and pedestrians only. Arrangements for deliveries and local access will be developed.
    • Only public transport and cyclists will be allowed to turn left from Westland Row onto Pearse Street. A new right turn for general traffic will be introduced at this Junction and the section of Pearse Street from Westland Row to Sandwith Street will be made two-way. Westland Row will no longer be a through route to Pearse Street but will allow access towards the Samuel Beckett Bridge instead.
    • There were two potential options around Custom House, and I believe they've gone for the option to close Custom House Quay and route all traffic around the back of the space.
    • The above will also facilitate the reduction in traffic lanes on Gardiner Street from four lanes to two lanes allowing for safer pedestrian and cycling use of this area
    • Traffic will be removed from College Green and Dame Street from the junction with George’s Street eastwards. Deliveries and limited access will be facilitated.
    • Following the successful transformation of Capel Street into a traffic free environment, it is the intention to replicate this scheme on Parliament Street, introducing a car free corridor for pedestrian and cyclists on the western edge of city centre retail core.
    • Potential for a pedestrianised Lincoln Place
    • Access into the Inner Core will be maintained for necessary trips; Car traffic without a destination in the Inner
      Core will be redirected as far as possible via alternative existing routes; On selected streets, general car traffic will
      be removed; A 30kph speed limit will be introduced on all roads in the City Centre
    • Access to City Centre Car Parks will be maintained, as required, and will be managed to ensure that sustainable transport and public realm objectives can be realised
    • The redevelopment or repurposing of the most centrally-located multi-storey car parks will be pursued
    • Not fully detailed in the draft plan is the establishment of a new inner orbital route for private car traffic. My guess would be a Patrick Street, High Street, Dorset Street, North Circular Road, and Samuel Beckett Bridge alignment for this.

    These changes are long overdue, and should bring significant improvements to the public transport infrastructure in Dublin. And even some of these changes will benefit car drivers too — for example the change to Gardiner Street, if you've driven on it before you know how much chaos and swerving is caused by the ersatz four lane nature of the street. If this is simplified to 2 lanes, a lot of the traffic conflicts are removed and things will proceed much more smoothly.

    Some delivery timelines:

    And some prospective drawings of public realm improvements:



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Oh and this is separate from the above plan, but thanks to some of the cycling infrastructural improvements along the south quays, we've already seen this drastic improvement in the pedestrian situation:



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    And most of those cars seen on OCS are there to access the Arnotts carpark



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Ok but if I live in south Dublin & I want to go park in the Ilac car park to attend the Abbey, I will not be able to go down the quays but rather will have to do a much more roundabout route. I am accessing the city centre, not transiting through but I still need to cross the Liffey. Or are we meant to stay on our side? What about those of us who are in cross-city relationships so have parents either side of the Liffey?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,780 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You can do the more roundabout route. It'll probably be quicker right now anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    Why are you parking in the Ilac to go to the Abbey? There's a few car parks that are closer and probably easier to get to from the south of the city.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They are not blowing up all the bridges. What difference does it make to anyone who has parents either side of the Liffey if a small portion of the quays are closed to private traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    You'll still be able to do this.

    Coming from the South-west use Patrick Street → High Street → Father Matthew Bridge to cross the river, then up Church Street → King Street North → Kings Inn Street

    Coming from the South-east, use Beckett Bridge and the Park Rite at the IFSC, or the East Link and the car park under Point Square. Take the Red Line if needed to get to the Abbey theatre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Oh actually I forgot — if you're coming from the South West, you won't need to make any adjustments to get to the Ilac car park — Bachelors Walk will be the bus gate, which means private cars will probably be forced off the Quays at Jervis Street. Which is where you'd go to get to the Ilac anyway.

    And yes, the whole point definitely is that you'll need to take a more roundabout route as a private car driver.

    The Quays are an integral part of our public transport network. They 100% need to be more efficient for buses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Maybe that's worth a summary. Under these plans Eastbound quays private traffic will likely:

    • Be able to use the Quays from Heuston to Jervis Street, then forced to turn left onto Jervis Street.
    • Be essentially unable to access the Quays between Jervis Street and Talbot Memorial Bridge
    • Able to use the Quays from Talbot Bridge to the Eastlink

    Westbound quays private traffic:

    • No change between Docklands and Talbot Memorial Bridge from existing traffic routes.
    • Banned between Talbot Memorial and O'Connell Bridges
    • Essentially unable to access the quays between O'Connell Bridge and Grattan Bridge/Parliament Street
    • Able to use the Quays from Grattan Bridge to Heuston



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,526 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Will driving as far as capel Street and taking a right onto the bridge be possible?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I would assume so — the bus gate was specifically listed as being at Bachelors Walk and not the entire north Quays



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,526 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Cheers - I assumed the 'forced to turn on to Jervis street' was referring to motorists who want to continue eastbound, rather than a bard 'you must turn here' rule.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Well, if Parliament St is closed you will have nowhere to go bar back to Heuston



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,678 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    In the prospective drawings feature buses with doors on the right...



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