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Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Could be right. But that same account published that on Twitter is fairly new and said the same thing last night too.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭.Donegal.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Is it part of the Iranian strategy to make the Israeli public paranoid and fearful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Could be a part of it.

    Also, simply wear down the Israeli military. Heightened states of alert can only last so long. Troops get tired, it's expensive to operate, and mistakes can be made. Eventually you loose focus or think it's just another empty threat, and that's when they actually strike you.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    I always wondered why America so strongly supported Isreal but I found out recently there are at least 10 zionists in Congress.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,649 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    So you never knew of things like a large Jewish diaspora from the many pogroms (I think something else happened in the 30's or 40's), having an ally agin Iran and then there are the evangelicals who see Israel as part of their Jesus Dungeons and Dragons fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    They just tweeted this tonight

    Another big pro-Israel election night!All 15 AIPAC-endorsed candidates won their races!Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I still go with the assumption there wont be a big war in this area this year , the Russians have supplied Iran with defense tech including S400 , so if you were to game it out if Iran does a token (but real retaliation) killing no civilians the cost of retaliation has gone up for Israel, what is Israel going to do use nukes to take out bunkers? unlikely , I think its a game of hoping the other side does something dumb by falling into a trap…. anyway helps me sleep at night lol

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    As we have seen in Ukraine much of Russia's well vaunted machinery prior to the War there is no match for what the west has. The strike by Israel last time on a military target in Iran reinforced that message. I dont think there will be a war because Iran knows it cannot win a conventional war against Israel. If Iran thought it could win iagainst Israel, they'd have gone to war long before now.

    This shows once again the propaganda we often hear about the death cult in Iran intent on martyrdom is rubbish. They are very much into self preservation. Things will go back to the way they were with Iran's proxies doing its bidding

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think you have to back it up further , Attack v Defense has changed, its less costly to be the defender and equipment is changing in importance, tanks (expensive) for example are more vulnerable to drones or ATGMs (cheap), air defense is subject to being overwhelmed and its clearly unsustainable to knock down a $5K rocket with a $1m air defense missile.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The s 500 is supposed to overcome this problem with cheap drones, but as we saw with the s400 a lot of claims about it didn't hold up as it had problems dealing with western weaponry supplied to Ukraine. It's true in the Ukraine war defense seems to be easier but alot of that can be attributed to how poor the Russian military is in fighting. Also that their military equipment by and large is inferior to western equipment. As a US military commander commented in the early stages of the Ukrainian war;" we had shock and awe, the Russians have just been shocking awful" That about sums them up. In years to come they should show videos of the Russian war in Ukraine as example of how not to conduct warfare. To think prior to the war Russia was considered to be the third or fourth strongest army in the world. The Russian arms industry must have seen a huge decline in sales due to the Ukraine war.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    UK, US and Israel all have shown and tested laser based drone defence systems

    If I were you Imho wouldn’t boast too much about the price of these, as the equation works both ways

    Ukrainians daily shoot down hundreds of Iranian drones with cheap WW2 era weapons and even YAK planes

    The western world has the industrial capacity to easily out produce Iran and Russia if they wanted, and we see daily that the likes of Russia and Iran have next to no defences



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    A better question would be what where these infamous Russian defences doing the multiple times Israelis swatted out people (like HAMAS terrorists) in Iran like flies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,376 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I think Iran are getting support mainly from China.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china-supports-iran-defending-security-says-foreign-minister-2024-08-11/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,376 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It's a '' long game ''.

    This is a ' long game ' and will be drawn out to ensure that the US uses their influence with Israel to get a peace deal. The US however are dragging their feet intentionally imo and there may be a few medium strikes to move the talks on. Unlike Israel it seems clear that the US does not want a war in the region as it would probably last for many years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Another evening of high tension in the middle east

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,376 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    So far civilian aviation in neighbouring countries is like normal.

    Seems like psychological warfare alright.

    Like a game of slaps when you were a kid.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭WEST


    Hopefully that is all, Israel just itching for another reason to keep the killing machine going. Jesus, they really are a cancer in the region and that is saying something when you have Iran on the list.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I read that the military site that Israel attacked after the Iranian missile barrage was protected by a Russian air defense system. The Israelis were able to evade it and damage a radar. According to analysts it was a warning to Iran that their most prized assets are not safe no matter what air defense system they have there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If a deal was reached in Gaza Iran might have an off ramp in this situation. There will be some in Israel who will be disappointed if Iran don't attack, but they will get their wish because Biden is incapable of exerting any influence over Nethanyu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Oh noez, anyways

    Perhaps those who want to go back to the 8th century in every aspect can start using clay tablets or something, I hear the region has a long history of their use for financial measurements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,376 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Irrael would be quite similar without the US backing. They behave in that 8th century fashion anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Given this is the Israel thread, some points that i would consider are , while Israel has to ask the question better to deal with Hezbollah now with its "100k rockets" or wait 10 years and have to deal with a million rockets its an easy one but the calculations have changed a little. Israel attacking Hezbollah would be expensive , Tanks are devalued and are easier to take out, air defense can be exhausted which is more a problem for Israel. It seems like The US would need to be more involved but they would need a very convincing excuse like a Hezbollah invasion of Israel , then Israel have pluses and minuses , the military will be a bit sharper but suffering some wear and tear at the same time….would you like to play a game of chess lol!

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I dont see a ceasefire in Gaza until there are no terrorists left to shoot, Iran will have to find its off ramp elsewhere I think

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The gas field just reopened on Monday

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Gallant has come out and said that is a unachievable goal. This is the crux of the problem,if force does not work, then try more force. Although it suits some actors in Israel to have it this way as it helps maintain the status quo. In other words they need Palestinian resistance to justify their own policies. Bibi even admitted this to colleagues in a meeting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I dont know if they "need" it , it's just is that way, the only 2 solutions I see for Gaza is that it stays the way it is now, or you get some regional solution for it to be rebuilt but with Israel running security where extremism is engineered out of the society

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They do need it. We have seen this before too. It's funny Yitzshak Shamir hated Bibi and said he would ruin Likud. Yet Bibi followed his lead by propping up the Islamists in order to undermine the more reasonable opposition. So you see the Israeli right really don't want to weed out extremism, they just want to manage it. We saw how that worked out last October.



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