Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455819#Comment_122455819

That's a fair point, and doubtless where internal affairs are concerned there is a huge desire for the relaxation of strict social rules imposed by the religious hierarchy.

On the other hand it is very unlikely that this will be reflected to any great extent in their foreign policies. Just looking at Ireland, we see that all political parties from PBP on the left to FG on the right support Palestine, while in the USA both major parties' foreign policies align fairly closely.

TheValeyard

Lots of airlines have cancelled flights to and from Israel.

Russian military supply planes have been landing in Tehran (probably weapon deliveries for AA)

Iraqi Resistance forces are moving from Iraq into Syria.

Israeli government has distributed emergency equipment to cabinet ministers in case of communication breakdown.

Sh1t is heating up quickly.

Kermit.de.frog

US patience with Israel is wearing thin. From Axios.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457585#Comment_122457585

What's he going to do, sanction them LOL ?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457585#Comment_122457585

He will bail them out, Bibi knows it's an idle threat - just like all the others. Joe is a committed Zionist, even if he wasn't in an election year he would be leaving an open goal for Donie to attack him as being pro hamas for abandoning Bibi and Israel in their hour of need.

Kermit.de.frog

Iran has started broadcasting war propaganda on national television. France has told it's citizens to leave the country immediately.

How much of this is pure hype like the last "attack" remains to be seen.

It will prob be another choreographed "for show" event for the home audience with little intention of inflicting actual damaged on Israel.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455662#Comment_122455662

thats why israel supposedly has nuclear bombs

TheValeyard

Lot of misinformation around online right now

TheValeyard

US assets moving into place

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1819495668412813662

igCorcaigh

Good thread 👇️

https://twitter.com/AliVaez/status/1819483969626558617

.Donegal.

Axios

U.S. officials told Axios Biden called Netanyahu to discuss U.S.-Israeli joint military preparations for retaliations by Iran and Hezbollah — but also to make clear he was not pleased with the direction the Israeli prime minister has taken in the last week.

• One U.S. official said Biden complained to Netanyahu that the two had just spoken last week in the Oval Office about securing the hostage deal, but instead Netanyahu went ahead with the assassination in Tehran.
• Biden then told Netanyahu the U.S. will help Israel defeat an Iranian attack, but after that he expects no more escalation from the Israeli side and immediate movement toward a hostage deal, the U.S. official said.

Biden also warned Netanyahu that if he escalates again, he shouldn't count on the U.S. to bail him out, the U.S. official added.

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batman75

Biden is 100% dedicated to Israel so Netanyahu has a free pass to do what he likes. So he can with justification, regard this latest statement by Biden as political bluster. Iran to date has shown remarkable restraint in the face of Israeli provocation. This is likely to change.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458668#Comment_122458668

It depends on what exactly Biden said. Will Biden risk US pilots intercepting drones and missiles over Iraq & Syria like before if Israel is provoking Iran and trying to drag the US into a war with Iran etc..

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458690#Comment_122458690

if the US doesnt intervene and stop missiles hitting israel

1. israel will respond fiercely against iran possibly kicking off a more substantial war
2. US may look weak
3. Biden probably wont be relected
4. if Trump is elected his view is take the restraints off israel and let them finish it their way so bidens best bet is aim for hostage return and ceasefire as soon as possible

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458746#Comment_122458746

1. No missile defense is 100%, even the last attack 1 missile got through.
2. US won't look weak by not putting their pilots in enemy airspace to shoot down drones or missiles.
3. I guarantee regardless, Biden won't be elected.
4. I'll just clarify in case you're not up to date, Biden is not seeking reelection.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458442#Comment_122458442

true it creates a line in the sand but it doesnt stop Israel over extending itsself as they they will end up creating their own "Afghanastan". If Israel do more than a token attack on Iran then Iran has "6 ways to Sunday" of getting back.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458690#Comment_122458690

Yes he will.

Let's say Joe meant what he said and America did not support Israel and it leads to regional war between Iran and Israel , the Democrats and Kamala can say goodbye to the White House in November.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459187#Comment_122459187

I don't believe it's a case between zero US support vs the US are all in.

If as you say, the US didn't support Israel, it would be because Israel has itself started the regional war. You can't expect the US to intervene if Israel go on a bombing campaign in Tehran and Iran responds.

Assuming US support is the US actually intervening in a war. The arms will still flow to Israel regardless.

nacho libre

I think America would intervene regardless of whether Israel starts it or not. It's just a question of what intervention means exactly. I think you're right America will only get directly involved if it looks like Israel is in danger of losing a conventional war . We are already seeing them move additional assets to the middle east to defend Israel. Israel would pause for thought if the Democrats did what Regan did. They don't have the spine do it, particularly in an election year. If that's what Joe meant then Bibi knows it's an empty threat. He has called Biden's bluff plenty of times already since this current war began

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459267#Comment_122459267

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453158#Comment_122453158

Unlikely when you have a war criminal in Israel trying his best to stoke up a fight.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083472#Comment_122083472

Worth noting that USAID funds VDem

https://v-dem.net/about/funders/

The USA hates Iran. Maybe we should be using a human rights index funded by Iran?

Israel is committing genocide. It is fighting for it's rights to rape prisoners. It has a torture camp. It may be that it treats Israeli Jewish citizens well but to give it such a high score says to me that the VDem index is seriously flawed.

igCorcaigh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460240#Comment_122460240

Hamas slaughtered young people at a dance festival. They were not the oppressor.

They're the left wing crowd, not settlers or far right Zionists.

I'm as pro the Palestinian cause as anyone else, but October 7 was an abhorrent outrage.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460728#Comment_122460728

They have no plan for running their own country, but instead seem more interested in destroying another. All aided by the great bunch of lads in Tehran.

batman75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460728#Comment_122460728

I agree with you that October cannot be defended. Their is talking that Israel initiated the Hannibal directive which would have increased the death toll if true.

It is beyond question that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. They wish to depopulate it as part of the river to the sea policy.

igCorcaigh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460759#Comment_122460759

They have no plan for running their own country, but instead seem more interested in destroying another.

A cynic could have said that about the Irish civil war, or any other post colonial conflict.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460728#Comment_122460728

I used to be pro Palestinian (am a northern nationalist by background so this was pretty much a given when I was growing up) but Oct 7th was a real wake-up call to me, and then, when I saw the responses to it especially, but far from entirely, within Ireland, I had to rethink so much that I had previously taken as self evident.

I've now come to the conclusion that I was naive about anti semitism. I mean, when an Irish Jew such as Rachel Moiselle, whose grandparents were born in Dublin, so is hardly a recent arrival, gets told to "Go home" by Irish people (as I've seen happen on Twitter) - what is that other than anti semitism, and where is she supposed to go "home" to, if not Israel? When Jews in London or Paris are attacked as revenge for the Israeli government's actions, that's just antisemitism - and can only lead to MORE zionism, not less. Because it means Jews in Europe feel the need to Israel to exist just so as to have somewhere to flee to. Which disproves claims that the protests are anti zionist and not anti semitic.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460727#Comment_122460727

It is a genocide for sure and there are many countries who stood idly by and others who actually armed the people committing the genocide. So before blaming Egypt i'd blame those countries who armed the Israelis. To always try to drag all the Arab countries into it and not put the blame where it lies sounds like deflection again.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460914#Comment_122460914

You see, you make an assertion and then dismiss what would be an inevitable consequence if your claim were true.

We're not establishing a hierarchy of responsibilities (although TBH if you were genuine about that, you would put Egypt right up there along with Jordan for their own disastrous failures leading to absolute catastrophe for the Palestinians at a time when Israel was ready to sue for peace. The Six Day War for example is why/how Israel came to be in Gaza in the first place). So Egypt bears as much direct responsibility - if not more - than anyone providing arms.

But in any case, that wasn't the point. You've ignored the striking contrast between how Ukraine's European neighbours responded to Ukrainian civilians after the Russian invasion, and that of Egypt. And secondarily to that, the eagerness of Gaza's Arab neighbours to stand by while Egypt blocked a massive escape route for fleeing Gazan civilians.

You can keep the blinkers over your eyes if you wish, and I have no doubt you will, but them's the facts.

Anyway. It's off topic for here. I was merely responding to the hysterical claim of "the world's biggest concentration camp" in Gaza. I notice nobody has tried to argue the facts there either.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460851#Comment_122460851

That Rachel one is fond of her anti Irish slurs. Previously stating she’d need date an Irish man because they’re all antisemitic. It’s ok for her to make sweeping statements , can you imagine the outcry from her if someone replaced Irish with Israeli. She’s a dose and a hypocrite. Anyway not sure what she has to do with this thread but you have no chance with her anyway with her bigoted views so calm down.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460803#Comment_122460803

This is the thing about accepting the Treaty though. As a northern nationalist I used to feel somewhat betrayed by that (even though my own grandfather who fought the War of Independence then took the Treaty side in the Civil War). His explanation was partly that people had believed in the border referendum, and that the traiterous Unionists and British had found ways to renege on that. But it is also clear to me that a decision to start off with what you have, to create a country, even on only part of the territory, was probably the best thing to do.

The alternative, to fight on for an all-or-nothing solution could well have seen Ireland become a basket case like the Palestinian territories have done.

And that is without taking into account that the Jews, unlike the British in Ireland, or the French in Algeria, or the Americans in Vietnam could not have given up and gone home - because they literally have nowhere else to go.

At some point, the only sensible thing to do is to sue for peace. The Palestinians have been terribly badly served by their leaders in that none of them have ever been willing to make that sacrifice.