Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The cheek swab is just a screening test, to identify potential cases of DSDs that would mean the person has male advantage and should not be competing in the female category.

This would only matter for an XY result - XX people with DSDs don’t AFAIK ever produce high levels of testosterone.

So a positive XY result would require further test a to determine the degree of androgen insensitivity. The only question then is whether any degree of androgen sensitivity should DQ from the female category.

I would say it does. The women’s category is not the runner-up reprise for weak males.

https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/health/a/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome

Was it obvious in Tokyo? I’m sure many of us watch Kellie beat her in Tokyo. I dont recall any questions being raised.

A cheek swab is fine for the vast majority. But it won’t detect anything regarding puberty. Which was the rule that the poster above was refering to.

Hold on, are you suggesting that there would be no repercussions for a sporting organisation publishing the private medical records of someone without their consent??

I was referring to the IBA specifically, not organisations generally.

The IBA are not based the EU. So EU data/privacy laws do not apply. And even if they are bound by some other obligation, it’s clear they do not hold themselves to it.

You are aware that IBA have explicitly stated that “they had XY chromosomes” right?
That information is the alleged private medical information. They have already released it publicly. Any privacy that applied was breached when they did that.
Did you think verbalising the contents instead if a scan was a privacy is a loop hole?

Any repercussions that would happen, will already will happen. And that ignoring the option of leaking it quietly to the media.

Having a DSD is rare, and I'm sure extremely difficult and complicated for the person and their families, but it is not the responsibility of women's sport to accommodate people who are not female, and who have huge genetic advantages that not only make it unfair but also dangerous, depending on the sport.

you'd think the test results would have to be revealed in this case, and maybe in the case of inconclusive results, a definitive test being carried out…??

I literally said how in the last post.
If they have CAIS they will not go through puberty.
If they have a documented assignment to female gender prior to tanner stage 2. They will not go through puberty.
If the basis of the application is either of those, and they can prove that's the case. Then should be covered. It they can't prove it, tough luck.

Your suspicion was physiologically incorrect. I'm not sure why you think either of those would go through puberty. There really no grounds for a normal person to not go through puberty.
Similar to people earlier in the failing to grasp how a person who fully transitions could know that last the testosterone levels of a child - it should be obvious how, there's no way they couldn't.

It is potentially accentuated by the rules of sport. If a gender questioning child is told they won't be able to participate in a sport the way they want in the future, unless they transition medically now, then that adds to the dilemma, wouldn't you agree?

If they wants to continue playing sports as they have done to date, they should not transition.
If they transition, bit be able to participate in sports as they have done to date is kinda of part of the package deal.

I though so at first. Thought it might be a resolution. But it's not a claim of defamation. It's a claim of harassment. It's pretty clear that they have been abused online, regardless of the facts of the case. They may only need to prove they have met the requirements set down by the IOC.
Obviously, if there a XX test request at home, they'd hardly not submit it.

Appeals through CAS are not expensive afaik. More likely the appeal was a waste of time as the World championships was over in a matter of days and the ban didn't affect anything for future competitions

If it’s a claim of online harassment, it’ll be interesting to see how a claim against Joanne Rowling, who did not harass Khelif at all, will go.

In fact I don’t see how that could work without going after the people who’ve done the actual harassing. Even though obviously they likely won’t have the money to make it financially worth the lawyers’ while.

As for why they didn’t appeal the original finding, “there was no need” doesn’t make sense: first off, there is the prize money from the World Cup that they were expecting to win. Second, they couldn’t possibly have known then that the IBA would not find an agreement with the IOC before the Olympics, nor that the IOC would go against the current trend in most elite sports of rowing back on inclusion in favour of fairness to women. That wasn’t, after all, what the IOC’s dispute with the IBA was about.

If Khelif is a female with XY chromosomes is she still not a female? I dont think she should compete with other female athletes if that is the case but outside of the sports arena is it not fair to still call her a woman?

The online harassment case may only affect the big names that were in the beginning calling her trans or a male.

Also I dont think the Andrew Tate fanboys would have any time for Khelif considering Andrew Tate came out and said that he would like to join in the female olympics boxing so he could get in the ring and beat Khelif up.

Where did I said imply anything about a letter? As I said you are simply misunderstanding what it required. You inference proves you aren't getting it.
CAIS exists, thats a fact. It somebody can prove that are CAIS to the satisfaction of FINA, they can be exempt. Nothing about that implies any old letter will do. Baffling that that was your assumption after it was explained repeatedly.
I'm not a doctor, so I don't know exactly how it is diagnosed. You seem to think that because you don't know that doctor don't know either. That's kinda silly.
@volchitsa already explain that there is also a controlled checklist to assess tanner stages. Controlled means repeated about and to a large degree not subjective. I'm sure that one of multiple methods.

which is creating another reason why 10 year old kids might want to transition medically as opposed to just socially. If you don't see an ethical concern around that, then there's nothing more I can say.

What are trying to say here? What I said above is simply how hormones work, that applies regardless of sport rules.
Whether they transition medically or socially they can do sports. I'm really not sure what you are claiming is happening.

Not to mentioned the fact you are fixated on "gender curious kids". As I explained it's mainly there to allow not exclude people who have had corrective surgery. Such as development abnormalities. Kids will malformed or multiple sets of genitals are often corrected to be female as its easier to develop and live "normally", than the alternative.