Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Nah, there's a lot more than that out there: Le Point has an interview (in French) with a Applied Biology professor called Georges Cazorla who's been involved in advising/preparing Khelif over the last few years. He says that Khelif's test results showed both chromosomal and testosterone problems - IOW IK has XY (male) chromosomes and a normal level of testosterone for a male, which of course means way above the levels allowed for women. And this is someone who is on Khelif's side.

Cazorla's "solution", BTW, was to do the same as Semenya was told to do by World Athletics/IOC at the time, ie to reduce testosterone levels to within allowed female limits. But we know that this does not negate the effects of male puberty: it only reduces muscle mass wrt to males. It does not create a female body.

And Semenya then went on to appeal this decision anyway, saying that as "her" testicles produced normal male amounts of testosterone, there was no illness requiring reduction of testosterone, and that it was an abuse of her human rights to make her take drugs for a non medical reason. Which is a fair point. What's not fair is to have male athletes like this also competing against women with what is, in effect, a pretty normal male body, on the grounds that as babies, their sex was not immediately visible to the doctor/midwife and they were misidentified. (As I recall, the judgment in Semenya's case was that there was no actual obligation to reduce testosterone levels, that it was a choice CS made in order to be allowed to participate in the female category.)

His definition of a woman seems to be someone who was told they were a girl and was brought up as a girl - which is fine if that's how Khelif wants to live. But physically, someone with XY chromosomes who has gone through male puberty is a male, and should not find themselves in a boxing ring beating women up. I'm shocked - but not surprised - at how many men seem only to have any empathy for the male person involved here. Not a thought for the women who are being gaslighted into getting punched in the face by men.

Here's some of the article, with a quick translation below. Anyone who's interested can google translate the rest.

Elle le découvre à ce moment-là…Oui, et moi aussi, même si elle présente un morphotype assez particulier. Il n'empêche que les gens ont une apparence physique particulière, c'est tellement différent à l'intérieur d'eux-mêmes. Pour Imane, elle est née fille. Elle a été élevée comme une fille. Elle a une sensibilité de fille.

Journalist: "She only found out at that point…" (ie the IBA tests)

"Yes, and so did I, even though she does have a rather unusual morphotype. Neverthless, people have their own physical appearance, but can be very different inside themselves. From Imane's point of view, she was born a girl. She was raised as a girl. She has a girl's sensitivity"

(Love the sex-stereotyping going on there BTW. If someone is a bit weepy, clearly they're a girl. Or maybe she likes pink. FFS.)

He goes on:

Après les championnats du monde 2023, où elle a été disqualifiée, j'ai pris les devants en contactant un endocrinologue de renom du CHU parisien, Kremlin-Bicêtre, qui l'a examinée. Celui-ci a confirmé qu'Imane est bien une femme, malgré son caryotype et son taux de testostérone. Il a dit : « Il y a un problème avec ses hormones, avec ses chromosomes, mais c'est une femme. » C'est tout ce qui nous importait. Nous avons ensuite travaillé avec une médecin basée en Algérie pour contrôler et réguler le taux de testostérone d'Imane, qui est actuellement dans la norme féminine.

"After the 2023 World Championships where she was DQed, I took the initiative of contacting a well-known endocrinologist from Kremlin-Bicetre, a major Parisian hospital, who examined her. He confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite her caryotype and level of testosterone. He said "There's a problem with her hormones and with her chromosomes, but she is a woman." That's all that mattered to us. We began working with a doctor based in Algeria to control and regulate Imane's testosterone levels, and she is now within female norms."

So to conclude, even members of Khelif's own team acknowledge that she has MALE, ie XY chromosomes, and a MALE level of testosterone. A perfectly normal level oif testosterone for a male.

This notion that a woman can be perfectly healthy but for mysterious reasons have such a high level of testosterone that they are biologically male, yet are still somehow female because that's what someone thought the day they were born and so that's what was written on their birth certificate is just arrant nonsense.

And here's a reminder of the SCIENCE around DSDs, rather than the sociology about raising babies as girls or boys

As I've said before, how people want to see themselves is absolutely fine by me. Using their unscientific beliefs about themselves to punch women in the face though - that's a hard NO from me.

That first post from that twitter link is a bit of a monster post, so here is some of it below. The figures and graphs referred to are in the following post, which I haven't copied out. The second paragraph, in bold, describes Caster Semenya and, it seems almost certainly also Imane Khelif.

First: People living with DSDs should be treated with compassion and understanding, and receive any heath care they need. These can be challenging conditions for individuals and their families. But when male athletes have DSDs that give them an advantage over females, and they compete in the female category, this raises concerns about safety and fairness, and forces discussion of the relevant physical traits.

Athletes with XY DSDs who have testes (usually internal), XY sex chromosomes, male-typical levels of testosterone, and functional androgen receptors are often described as females with "hyperandrogenism," i.e., abnormally high levels of testosterone. They experience physical benefits of this high testosterone during puberty, which translate into athletic advantages over females. The issue for sports is that athletes with the XY DSD 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), may be socialized as female, may be legally female, and may live and identify as female; but they are male.

These individuals are usually born with female-appearing genitalia, which can lead to being sexed as female. Here's why. 5-ARD is caused by a mutation in the gene that codes for the enzyme 5-alpha reductase, which converts testosterone into a more potent androgen, DHT. This androgen interacts with the androgen receptor, like testosterone, and is necessary for the typical development of male external genitalia (penis and scrotum) and the prostate. Without DHT, female-typical external genitalia develop. At the end of this monster post is a graphic of the relevant steroid production pathway, from my book T: The story of Testosterone.

DHT is also responsible for male-pattern baldness and dark, coarse facial hair, which is why people with the condition have smooth skin that can give a feminine appearance.

The “decision makers” are aware that athletes with 5-ARD are male, and that they experience the benefits of male puberty. The requirement to reduce their testosterone to typical female levels isn’t discriminatory, since these are males who are asking to compete in the female category. But more significantly, all the relevant scientific evidence shows that reducing male T in adulthood does not undo the physical benefits of male puberty.

Yes, that's a particularly difficult watch. A man brutalizing a woman and leaving her bleeding from the head in the name of sport. Even the Roman Circuses didn't have that, to the best of my knowledge.

Le Point is a perfectly respectable French newspaper. It's centre right but with no political affiliation according to Wikipedia:

Le Point: Editorial stance

If this isn't being taken up by English language media, I think the only logical conclusion is that they aren't interested in honest coverage of this issue.

So basically you think if something's not in English, it doesn't exist? 😁

Seems more than a tad parochial, doesn't it?

There's not a lot I can say to that, other than wait and see. Lots of people are like yourself, glued to the English language output, to the exclusion of the rest of the world - especially Americans whose foreign language skills are often, poor, let's say - but it will get there in the end.

Bit of a shame for someone who's been spoonfed the translation to still cling to that belief though. IMO.

If it's not picked up by any other media I would suspect it is a lie. There are right wing and left wing outlets and if neither are willing to publish the information that should produce large red flags to anyone. The idea that an article in French from two days ago on a hot topic like this would not have been picked up by any English media is faintly ridiculous.

The article literally confirms she has the body of a woman (third last paragraph in the one you quoted above). How this can equate to her being "a man" is anyone's guess. Whether she should be banned from the Olympics for having male chromosomes or too much testosterone or other male hormones in her system is a completely different argument.

Do you understand what an exclusive is?

I know what an exclusive but that does nothing to explain the silence online regarding this explosive interview. No right wing commentators have picked up this story and as I have said everyone has Google translate

"After the 2023 World Championships where she was DQed, I took the initiative of contacting a well-known endocrinologist from Kremlin-Bicetre, a major Parisian hospital, who examined her. He confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite her caryotype and level of testosterone. He said "There's a problem with her hormones and with her chromosomes, but she is a woman." That's all that mattered to us. We began working with a doctor based in Algeria to control and regulate Imane's testosterone levels, and she is now within female norms."

Seems she underwent a physical examination which confirmed she is a woman.

By the way, 3 Wire sports, while a fairly new outfit (2010) is well regarded in sports circles.

Its founder Alan Abrahamson, is an award-winning sportswriter, best-selling author and in-demand television analyst. In 2010, he launched his own website, 3 Wire Sports, described in James Patterson and Mark Sullivan's 2012 best-selling novel "Private Games" as "the world's best source of information about the [Olympic] Games and the culture that surrounds them.

https://annenberg.usc.edu/faculty/alan-abrahamson (Associate Professor of Professional Practice of Journalism at Annenberg USC)

https://www.3wiresports.com/alan-abrahamson

So not some Russian stooge.

Is there any point at which you begin to accept that the evidence that Khelif is biologically male is convincing or are you going to keep digging?

Are you suggesting that Khelif has a man's body and male genitalia, as well as male chromosomes? That would literally be the definition of "a man", using just about any parameter.

I'm not suggesting you disagreed with your own post. Highlight where I clear didn't support XY athletes in the womens division. This was toy highlight the nonsend in your post. I haven't refused to answer anything, that was a bare faced lie.
And claiming that posters are "not interested in the risk of women being beaten up by men" is frankly a disgusting strawman.

That leak shows a letter, not any results of a test. All people have been asking for is the test results. There's no reason that the IBA, who have spoken very publicly on the matter, can't release it.
Also worth nothing the that test/and equipment used was a "Cytocell brand Prenatal Enumeration Probe Kit". That a probe for testing foetuses for genetic defects. Can it still obtain reults, probably. It is the correct process for certified results, probably not. Which was the issue the IOC raised. The the IBA test was not the correct testing method.

Unfortunately if the testing requirements are solidified, then they will likely duck that competition.