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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It’s very concerning to see a moderator display such obvious one sided views - referring to Israel’s actions as “genocide”.

    I would be very worried to post in the associated thread and espouse the opposite view - it would be difficult to see how a fair hearing would be given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    As pointed out before, that is why there is a dispute resolution process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I said ah stop as I thought you would have preferred to answer for yourself.

    Up to that point, there was only one rude poster, who had been seen off by the mods, proper order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Are Israel's actions not genocide?

    Should complaints of this nature not be referred to Disputes?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Last time I checked, I'm entitled to an opinion.

    I never, ever post in the Israel/Palestine threads on this site. This is exactly the sort of disingenuous comment that makes the place so unpleasant. It's the same when you were whining about people thanking abusive posts despite being more than happy to do that yourself on several occasions.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Have you got any ideas on how to improve the site?

    You feel it's turning into Stormfront after all, beyond bickering with people and bemoaning the owners of the site I'm at a loss as to what you're contributing here.

    You are entitled to your opinion, just as people are entitled to their opinion of you, and with the greatest of respect, it's not possible to be the referee when you're so obviously partisan on threads often degenerating into less than civil exchanges.

    I honestly can't think of another mod, cmod or admin on boards that gets as personally involved in heated exchanges as you do. It's a conflict of interest, particularly when you're making rulings in dispute resolution threads when you were bickering with the person in the thread they were banned from.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm not just trying to stick the boot in, but there is a serious conflict of interest there.

    They made a particularly off colour post about the stabbing of those children in Southport that was deleted, not after an enraged reaction from users..

    I received this reply that I screen grabbed from a post replying to them after the original was removed...

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    I know this isn't the topic at hand here, but that isn't a rational or acceptable response from a mod.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    So, thread bans are not permanent. They're simply a moderator instruction not to post in the thread again. If you then breach that instruction a mod can either apply a warning or a forum ban, depending on severity/frequency of breaches. I know when Covid was a hot thing and we had the old vBulletin it was easier to keep track of things like Flaneur is on about. You could see clearly if the poster had done it before etc. Now... Not so much unfortunately. Needs to be all manually done and when you don't have many mods on hand it can be difficult enough just dealing with reports from CA never mind going through the admin work attached (posting on thread, adding poster to OP, posting into the thread in the mod forum, PMing the poster.. not an exhaustive list) if you have 50 reports that's gonna take a heck of a long time to get through even if only say 20 are actionable.

    Anyone can PM the mod who banned them at any stage and attempt to have it lifted by the way. Sometimes things are said in the heat of the moment and it can get people's backs up but a few hours/days/weeks after the event there's always time for negotiation and civil discussion and, from my perspective at least I would never be 'out to get someone' - just to enforce the rules!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, I think this thread is done now.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Forum bans are applied in the vein that you're referring to there and do or should lift automatically. Trouble is with Vanilla, if you have to forum ban someone it doesn't send an auto PM to the poster informing them of such so if the mod is busy or simply forgets to PM the user informing them of said ban it can lead to confusion. This was not the case on old boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    You are the person whinging about pile on? Like seriously?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    That type of thing isn't particularly clear at all but thanks for clearing it up regardless.

    Would applying an honor system of not posting for a set period be easier to manage?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    What's that got to do with the post you quoted?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Thanks for explaining. Are there any automation procedures that could be applied to the site to reduce that workload. More of a technical question than a mod issue but anything that could reduce inefficiencies would help mods and modding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Quite possibly, yes. But that would be for the mods of a specific forum to decide on (or admins if they want to make a carte Blanche rule on threadbans across the site)

    It wouldn't be much harder than the current system just a case of having a thread in the specific mod forum that specified, for example, Joe Bloggs banned from the thread for 2 weeks. Then you have a record of this and if the same poster steps out of line again you increase the sanction or take action at a forum level etc. Once you have a record of it then any system can work really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,649 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Sorry now how do you define that as a pile on? The last time I looked a pile is when there's numerous posters getting their oar in on 1 individual poster.

    My thoughts on the matter is the issue is not the posters but rather Vanilla, it's been Vanilla since day 1. How can mods effectively do their job when the web hosting makes it so hard for them. There's never going to be a fix for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    For any change to be worthwhile it needs to offer a better outcome for users and an easier process for mods that gives them less to do and does less to make them want to stop volunteering their time.

    If escalation to Dispute Resolution can be circumvented it might be the best selling point of it as a concept.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,131 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Big Bag of ChipsAdministratorsPosts: 14,141 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ 09-08-2024 11:22am edited August 9

    Some posters are under the mistaken impression that Feedback is a free for all where they can personally attack and abuse posters and volunteer moderators with impunity. This is not correct.

    You will not be warned in this forum for providing feedback, positive, negative or otherwise. But you absolutely can expect to be warned for personal attacks or insults on other posters, groups of posters etc. Phrases such as "you lot", lazy name calling, derogatory terms towards anyone are not feedback and contribute nothing to discussions.

    Anyone warned for such posts in this forum will not have the option of DRP.

    This mod warning seems to be forgotten/ignored by posters/mods.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Ah look I get the frustration. I know there was a lot in the original thread and I wonder if that's half the problem, perhaps breaking it down to a base level might be easier for admins to apply.

    We're all pretty powerless in terms of the site functionality, that's not something even admins can do but in terms of making some attempt to change things perhaps if we deal with the following initially... (This is only a suggestion btw feel free to put forward something else).

    Clearer defined charter in terms of acceptable posting for CA in particular. Signed off on by mods of CA naturally (not my stomping ground anymore).

    Another "drive for recruitment" of at least a couple more mods for the CA forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    When I last looked, personal attacks were outside the charter.

    This is a thread about feedback in general.

    Trying to hang peopleis poor form and the majority of people can see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Guess who will be handling the dispute resolution process…

    Or should I say, Guess who will be handling the dispute resolution process a few weeks later if you are stubborn enough to keep asking "Can anybody take a look at this?".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,031 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How are mods recruited? I'm not asking for myself but if there is someone I'd feel might be a good candidate could I pm a mod or cmod or admin mod with that nomination so to speak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Only a clown with no life would go to DRP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good idea . Like the CA sticky but for feedback suggestions .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Boards just isn't as fun and lighthearted as before. Threads like "describe your first sexual experience with a movie title" and " I think my grinds teacher fancies me" were kind of what first drew me to the site. There's obviously real technical issues like the search function but the site has become far less jovial. When I said a year ago in the Biden thread that he was too old and senile I was met with accusations of defending rape and supporting racism. After the assassination attempt the number of posts openly wishing the assassination was successful and not being warned by Mods was shocking.

    It's still good for things like the Olympics and asking questions about non controversial topics but there's lots of people on boards including some Mods who really need to calm the **** down.



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