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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    This thread is not about individuals but….. if you continue to attack me the poster, please give clear examples of where I soapbox. That's how boards works, does it not?

    You see the thing is, you'll realise as soon as you start, that you, I and everyone here that participate anyway regularly can likely be accused of 'soapboxing'. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    By the way, how many threads have I multiple warnings to 'move on'? And how many am I banned from?

    When I argue a case on this thread for more competent moderation, I'm not thinking of myself as you or others might like to portray. I look down the list of banned posters on many threads. I recognise many generally fine and regular posters, whose views I sometimes align with and other times less so, who are on these lists. I see posters added to the list and I just wonder why - where is the logic at all in many cases.

    I can sometimes see a logic in banning an obviously new re reg who just jumps in with intent. But there are many others where I'm genuinely baffled. So perhaps reflect on this..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Maybe I have lost the plot, but I thought people were asking for MORE moderation in current affairs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Some other suggestions were:

    Shift some of the CA content into Politics eg one US politics thread in CA. More focused topics - discuss in Politics. Same principle could be applied to some other political threads in CA.

    Limit access to CA eg X number of posts. May not be feasible with Vanilla.

    More clarity in forum charters.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Both more and less moderation of CA were suggested by different sets of posters.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Sorry, yes I see it there now! My eysight is going.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That I believe is called 'expressing an opinion'. It's my opinion of the state of affairs that afflicts some parts of the site. I don't have to prove my opinions anymore than you do. You are free to disagree with my opinion.

    And therein lies an important difference. You and I can exchange opinions in a moderate way. That's grand.

    Moderators though should not be handing out warnings and thread bans on the basis of their own opinions. They should be based on the overall site & individual thread guidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    One US politics thread would be a good idea, I personally don't think it should go into Politics, that forum gets almost no traffic, and alot of people have no longing to ever return to it.

    Maybe some people could be made junior moderators, to help out with the workload.

    Can the search functionality be improved or is that not possible in Vanilla ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I always thought feedback threads were a place for posters to, you know, give feedback to moderators and hear from the moderators about whats going on.

    The idea of going into a feedback thread and having a discussion with other posters is so **** asinine. Its like two lads standing in a queue for the bar arguing with each other about the price of beer. The lad behind the bar can hear you but thinks you're both idiots and hopes you go away soon.

    I know the radio silence creates a vaccum that some people think its their job to fill but seriously, nobody opens a feedback thread to hear from the same boring posters, they want to see questions to and answers from the moderators.

    Also, nobody over the age of twelve gives a **** about "Thanks".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Same here. I've also seen some defend Israel's ongoing genocide in Palestine and one lad defend the actual Nazis of the 1930s and 1940s.

    Never seen anyone defend Stalin or Mao though. I suspect that the allegation there is just some kind of projection.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Have a look down the list of thread banned posters on this thread: there are something like 80 posters listed and that's just utterly ridiculous. It's dysfunctional. I look down that list and easily pick out 20 names without any difficulty of posters who I think post in good faith. Some I might agree with and others not always. But they all have valid opinions on the subject. And it's the height of nonsense to ban such posters.

    I'm just picking this one as I'm more familiar with the posters listed. There are a good many such threads where boards is just shooting itself in the foot everyday. If it were a business, it'd be gone as you don't generally get away too long with insulting your customers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Bull.

    The site should determine what it defines transphobia as. If you don't like what they define transphobia as, well, there's the door, the internet's a big place.

    I will say, that if boards was to say it's ok to question if a man can become a woman because of whatever reason, I'll be first out, deleting my account.

    The boards I signed up to long ago has changed, and yeah, I do want it back. It was nicer, busier, there were RL groups, friendships, marriages and children born from that.

    I don't really care if a people get their nose out of joint that they're not able to offend people or spew hateful rhetoric.

    Like BOC said, something needs to change or the site is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    One US politics thread sounds like a good idea, it would allow for more free wheeling discussion, natural conversation without being accused of going off topic.

    On that note Leg End reject suggested allowing threads to go off topic more often, as it mimics how conversations flow. Off topic moderation could be limited to shitposting rather than modding general chat.

    Another suggestion was not to zombie or delete threads just because they are old. They can still be fun to read and threads like creepiest things that ever happened to you could go on for ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Yes, using the old trope of "that wasn't real communism" etc.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    We've each said our piece. What is allowed on boards is up to boards admin not us. We should both drop it as the feedback has been given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Other suggestions were highlighting post of the day, most thanked post etc. Not certain whether mods thought this was possible with current tools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I agree charters need overhauling and updating especially in CA/IMHO

    I also think a stickied feedback suggestions etc., thread directly in CA/IMHO would be beneficial, I know we have this general forum but as that is probably the busiest forum it may help



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think it makes a difference. The people making CA a cesspit don't care and the rest is mostly common sense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Necro, this is the second thread that has gone in to a lot of detail about the state of the site. And we've had mods on both threads blame the user base for how it is around here at this point.

    And now this.

    It seems likely that very little conversation happened since the last thread 5 months ago within Boards because zero updates appeared either on the original thread, or on here when I started this to ask for said updates.

    This continuous blaming of the userbase without any suggestion of how to fix things is tiresome. And the absence of senior Boards people of showing any interest in taking part in the discussion is telling in itself.

    And I'm not saying that because I personally feel called out or anything like that, I don't. I've already said that Boards should reflect the conversations that are happening in society and I've at least offered a solution where maybe the unpleasantness could happen out of sight of all but those who asked to have access to it but several people say that that cannot work so fine, so be it.

    Is there any chance at all of Boards doing what they said they were going to do and coming up with solutions instead of blaming the same userbase that was here before the changeover for the problems that exist now. I didn't start this thread to see the same head to heads that exist in several other threads right now, I started it hoping to see some genuine efforts being made to help the site take a step forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Well, the thread is going down the sh*tter now, so I might as well post.

    Furze99 - example of your stuff. The soap boxing is evident.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Hilarious that you left out the point that I keep repeating.

    Your entire list is utterly useless and lacks any sort of functionality if the site rules themselves are not defined, posted and stickied on every forum. (Abusive PM's would be in this sticky)

    They should be the ones the owners/management write up/approve.

    Under that charter, should be the forum specific charter that is agreed with the mods, the community, and signed off by the cmods/admin.

    Both sets should be re-appraised annually in a thread on that forum by mods and users alike, and altered as needed.

    Threads cannot be moderated effectively by anyone, let alone the handful of mods we're clinging onto at the minute if they have to decide by gut what should be allowed or not.

    You look for more moderation of current affairs and directly underneath that, less moderation of current affairs....

    Come on, that's kind of funny

    As for your "abuse of the report feature" as an ex mod, rarely, rarely happens. It's relied on too much. Saying that, I remember hearing of people getting temporary site bans for constant spurious reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Bans shouldn't be permanent, that thread is an example of how the lack of moderation resources pushes for an expedient solution that has the potential to lower traffic to the site and drive it down the path of being a "graveyard".

    That said if a new user arrives spouting hateful rhetoric or is clearly acting the eejit a site ban should apply as it already does.

    If someone is being a nuisance on thread, something like a ban for a day or two could be enough to impose a sanction, calm the discussion down and allow the poster to come back knowing that any further behaviour of that sort will result in a week's ban the next time and say, a month the time after that etc.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The irony of this in light of your insistence that people you disagree with are to blame for ruining threads and looking for them to be banned to suit you is mesmerising.

    Try suggesting something that's easy to be implemented, that can be actioned by the mods and admins without much hassle instead of throwing your toys out of the pram about banning everyone who upsets you.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Think you meant to post this in response to someone else, it makes no sense with respect to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    This thread is after getting popular…

    …everyone on Olympic withdrawal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Just looking at that thread it appears your thread ban was lifted and then reinstated?

    That must be taking up a good bit of moderation time alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    IIRC both bans were handed out for bickering with another user.

    We can all do with a cool down period sometimes, short bans would accomplish that without DR threads needing to be set up.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm pretty certain myself and other posters know why you would not like the single US politics thread to go into politics... 🤣

    QUICK!

    SOMEONE GET ME A QUICK PICK!

    TAKE A PHOTO!

    TODAY IS MY LUCKY DAY!

    I agree with nearly everything that Nullzero said on a post! AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTIVE!*

    2 day ban

    2 week ban

    2 month ban

    Forum ban

    Site ban.

    I don't think Vanilla can lift bans automatically, so it would be a case of a user PMing the mod, to say sorry, can you lift my ban?

    (If they were to PM and say, my 2 days are up, lift the ban, I'd be tempted to add a day on for being rude!)

    (*I hope you can take this in the light-hearted way I intended it to be)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    People missed people running rings around each other. 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Chortle.

    A sin bin could work wonders when you think about it. Would certainly eliminate a lot of hassle for mods.

    Glazers Out!



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