Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

But that's only someone being gullible and falling from divisive rhetoric from grifters. They need a bogeyman. Whether that be George Soros and the Illuminati or else the ruling class in Foxrock.

Perhaps the reason for the current state of affairs is that the relevant departments are being run by people with similar views to yourself? People who want AS to be gifted literally the most valuable locations in the country the moment they arrive.

I've said it on here before, and I think there is more than an element of truth to it, but it does seem like many of those who protest do so because they secretly don't think converted factories are of adequate standard for the new arrivals and think they should instead be gifted own door accommodation in upmarket areas immediately upon arrival. The help them recover from the trauma they are fleeing I suppose. The poorer areas are only good enough for the locals but are substandard for the new arrivals.

Teddy soft. Frying pan hard. No woman. No fry.. ing pan

You might be on to something there, genuinely.

The 'salt of the Earth' protestors in Coolock don't want these lads honkering down for a night's kip on a cold factory floor while the 'salt of the Earth' Refugees Welcome brigade just want them housed in the least expensive area to 'save the taxpayer's a few quid'.

Really though? I've been around the block enough times to see urine extractors in action - but this bates Banagher.

It's up to you man. Lobby for taxpayers money to be spent on putting the new arrivals up in the lap of luxury if you wish.

Unfortunately, from the perspective of the poorest natives, those coming in as AS will be given priority for accommodation due to the emergency nature of their situation. So whatever money is in the pot will need to get spent on them first. If enough of you and your buddies get together and make enough noise, the government will be forced to do what you want and spend all the resources on the AS.

Seems a bit silly to me, but I'd have a bit more concern for the natives than the newly arrived. I acknowledge your right to priortise the new arrivals though over the natives.

Majority of people in Coolock have nothing whatsoever to do with the racist / Loyalist supporting far right group known as 'Coolock Says No'. It cannot be claimed that group of individuals speak on behalf of a community of 22,000 people.

then get out onto the streets and start demanding elections. right now it looks like people are more objectionable to the actual immigrants than the governments policies than make it happen

So a handful of people from the group, took it upon themselves to go up north, they may have found a common goal, in being against their respective governments immigration policy but it was a misguided decision to stand there with the loyalist and wave their banners and flags. But that does not mean, other people who stood with them at various stages of their protest and who still are against our governments immigration policy are racist or loyalist or far right.

You claim Coolock say no does not speak for 22k residents of Coolock, equallly your opinion is not the a barometer of 22k residents of Coolock either.

This 100%.

Where is the mass protest movement? Why are the Irish so docile?

The political consensus and the majority of the public approve of policies of deterrence, compared with the level of dissatisfaction on asylum in other EU Member States, it is accurate to say that Denmark is content with its asylum policy.

According to the latest EU statistics on asylum, Ireland has the highest proportion of asylum applications per capita, Denmark has one of the lowest. Denmark has argued for externalisation policies at an EU level to complement policies of deterrence; limit the ability to migrate to the EU and limit the incentive to migrate to the EU. A multifaceted approach to reducing asylum is ideal.

As the article you cite states, this letter is an indication of dissatisfaction with the EU Migration Pact on the part of the other EU Member States that are signatories. I’m unsure what part of that article gave you the impression that Denmark was interested in opting-in to the EU Migration Pact.

People too preoccupied with bills and where there next paycheck coming from in this expensive isle.

If we're hemorrhaging youth and young professionals because of housing and cost of living.

Rather see housing be giving to these instead of some blow ins with no identity.

The number of countries judged as safe should be expanded in line with other European countries.

Agree with all you have said above except this line. We shouldn't have a list of 'safe countries'. We should have a list of 'unsafe countries' and for countries to get on that list there should be strict and stringent terms and conditions. Anyone turning up that is from a country not on the list and claiming asylum should be returned to sender without any entertainment whatsoever.

Its a vvery good question and probably deserves a thread of its own. I think a lot of it comes down to human nature, our in built national psych and also how modern life has shaped how people share their opinion. Its trendy to wave flags about causes, usually in foreign countries that can't really be changed, but makes those protesters feel good about themselves.

The real issues, in our own country that should be front and centre are harder to resolve so people would rather complain in the comfort of the pub or cafe than get off their asses.

Also the language the media and government use to describe people who are agaisnt policies, would turn them away from protesting. As they are afraid people will judge them negatively. Like I say, its a complex issue and probably requires its own thread.

Be more worried if the economy tanks into the future. Whats going to pay for it. Your still stuck with these people. The gobshite leaders promoting it will be long gone.

No, one doesn’t have anything to do with the other. Whatever Government does or doesn’t spend on providing services for people with disabilities has nothing, zero to do with how much Government spends on providing services for refugees and asylum seekers. That’s what the national budget is for, to determine how to make the best use of public funds. It’s because I was somewhat aware of your personal circumstances that I didn’t say too much other than to provide you with evidence which you were obviously previously unaware of.

It happens, I don’t expect everyone who is affected to be aware of every Government announcement, I do know that there are various lobby groups which don’t get much public support or media attention because people with disabilities just isn’t a hot button topic, nor is it something the general public has any great interest in. That’s why you don’t see any great pronouncements about Government policies relating to people with disabilities. It’s also why I couldn’t care less about Government announcements about travellers and asylum seekers that make headlines in mainstream media. I’m aware that plenty more people who aren’t me DO care about these things.

The rest of your post is just re-treading the same old ground about what you believe should be Government policy in relation to refugees and asylum seekers, while imagining that if Government were to spend less resources on immigration, it would mean those resources could be allocated to providing services for people with disabilities. I wouldn’t make that assumption, because I know that’s not how Government and budgets actually function. I also know that immigration services are chronically underfunded, which means that if Government were to follow your suggestions, the logical conclusion of your argument is that there would be even less resources available for people with disabilities (you’ve forgotten about travellers already, but that’s ok, nobody really cares about them anyway, they’re just a useful stick to beat Government over the head with, it’s not like they’re Irish or anything).

The system you’re proposing wouldn’t be fairer to anyone, it would be even more shìtty than the current system, and would piss off a far, far greater number of people, and it would mean far more families pursuing legal action against the State, with the taxpayer picking up the tab (I don’t care about the taxpayer picking up the tab, but if it’s something you’re genuinely concerned about, then it’s something you should be aware of). It’s why the UK’s previous Governments proposals in relation to how they sought to deal with illegal immigration weren’t actually all that popular once people did the math and realised what it would actually cost the British taxpayer:

It is little surprise that only 16% of the UK public see the scheme as good value for money.

https://odi.org/en/insights/the-cost-of-the-uks-rwanda-plan-lessons-for-eu-member-states/

Your proposals would have no impact whatsoever on people’s distrust and anger towards foreign workers, asylum seekers, refugees, immigrants, travellers, people with disabilities, etc. There will always be people who will seek out ways by which they can portray themselves as a greater victim than everyone else in Irish society. I’ve no doubt you’re aware of plenty of examples; the one which stands out in recent memory for me was the woman who complained that Government had money to spend on providing for abortion while her son couldn’t get a new electric wheelchair. Far more common are the people with everything who still try to play the victim, which is why people with disabilities are way, waaaaay down the pecking order in terms of who gets the most media attention.

Travellers and asylum seekers are also waaay, way down in that same pecking order. That’s because people don’t give a shìt whether a system is fair and equitable so long as it’s themselves who are benefiting the most from it, and they have the ability to ensure that other people should have no assistance whatsoever as in their view it would simply be a waste of resources and they’re not contributing taxes so they shouldn’t be entitled to anything.

You don’t need me to spell it out to you where that sort of argument and attitude towards other people leads to if those people were actually ever taken seriously:

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism