Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476574#Comment_122476574

A moot point!

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hhmmm?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471328#Comment_122471328

What was going on in Belfast?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476675#Comment_122476675

Ah here, "pharsical"??

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476433#Comment_122476433

I do recall that the number of Gaelscoils shot up when many thousands of Eastern Europeans came to Ireland to avail of our housing boom in late 1990s. Parents thought incorrectly that Eastern European kids would hold back the class because the teachers would need to help them get up to speed with the languages. Some parents of course just didn't want their kids mixing with the foreigners.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476675#Comment_122476675

Is there no low you lot won't sink to in your attempts to spread the hate?

Many poorer parts of the world do have terrible records of sexual violence, though it's hard to make comparisons.

India looks to be as bad as any country in that regard, any protests against Indian tech workers coming here?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476803#Comment_122476803

That sounds like bullsh*t to me tbh

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476858#Comment_122476858

It's very true.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476867#Comment_122476867

Prove it

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476707#Comment_122476707

What's common sense about denying people medical attention?

Unless you think outbreaks of infectious diseases, people off their meds, and turning pharmacies into fortresses is a good idea?

And the post doesn't get any better from there.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476228#Comment_122476228

Makes about as much sense as most of the anti-immigration posts around here.

Jeff2

The irony of Sky running none stop left wing news and letting a lad talk for ages about how everyone is welcome and in the next segment news talk about 3 Taylor Swift concerts cancelled because of potential terrorist attack.

Saying this 19yo lad was radicalised online.

I mean it was the same presenter but she said nothing about the connection between the two.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477127#Comment_122477127

They know what they're doing, absolute shitbags in the media

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476996#Comment_122476996

This country doesn't owe chancers anything!

Already long waiting lists for you know, actual citizens ,but don't let that fact stop you going full social justice warrior.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476996#Comment_122476996

What's wrong with the following from the poster?

• Reduce Funding of NGOs—There are too many with too many Non-Jobs in them. And a lot duplicate the same work. The only people who would have a problem with this are people actively working in the sector. Part of the wider Asylum Ecosystem (Property Developers, Hoteliers, Landlords, Lawyers etc) that needs to be looked at anyway, as they are costing the taxpayer a small fortune.
• Surely reducing the time Asylum Seekers have to wait for processing is a good thing?
• Reducing the number of appeals is also a good thing. For the Asylum Seeker and the Taxpayers. Cuts down the amount of time they are hanging around in DP or in Tents, and at least they know their status.
• Surely stopping the nonsense of "Self-Deportation" is a good thing? If not, why not?
• Setting up Offshore Processing systems; isn't that what the EU was looking at in North Africa at one point? I wouldn't agree with North Africa, but maybe somewhere else instead.

Reduce funding of immigration NGOs

Quick turn around of processing migrates. No migrates should be waiting months and years for a decision.

Reduce the amount of appeals including courts.

Asking nicely to leave has to stop and instead they should be immigration officers escorting the illegals out.

Above is just short term and the Government tomorrow should be preparing migrate centers outside Ireland like what Italy has done, this would stop the pull factor all together and stop the vested interest groups making money of this absolute blight in our country

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477162#Comment_122477162

There's nothing 'social justice warrior' about that.

Outbreaks of infectious diseases are bad for us all. People not taking their medications can be harmful to us all. Turning pharmacies into fortresses would be harmful to us all.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477470#Comment_122477470

Did you deliberately leave out the bit about not giving people tents?

As for the rest of it, you've certainly adapted some it but let me take up some of these points.

We should look to reduce costs around providing services for IPAs, but it's important we don't lose anything that's in the common interest. Ending up with homeless people in tents, or people not having access to English classes would be good examples of this.

It would be a good thing, but I doubt the poster meant it the sense I would. It would be great to speed up processing so people can get on with their lives, getting jobs, training, planning for the future etc.

It would be great to reduce cost around appeals and throughout our legal system. At the same time do we want to start excluding some people from fair process? I might think it's a waste of time and money giving the so-called 'peaceful protestors' access to appeals and fair trails. I also think some positive results have come from the appeals process, such as emphasizing the importance of family in the constitution. Deporting Irish people's parents I would think a poor choice in the long term. We don't want to turn people against the state or create an actual two-tiered society.

We don't have the resources to start deporting people on any scale. Looking at our historical record in this regard, and how other countries have completed so few deportations I wouldn't expect we'd actually deport any more than 10-20% of failed applicants. This would come with huge pressure on AGS resources and take Gardai from tackling violent crime.

Italy's offshore center looks a bit of a joke, much like the Rwanda scheme, I don't know how or why we'd consider something like this in Ireland. It might be possible for the EU to achieve something in the longer term with offshore processing if it's approached in the right way, for Ireland I would think we'd just end up with some Rwanda like failure. I'm not sure if you're aware but Italy doesn't actually deport people to Albania, it plans to bring people picked up in the med straight there and have the center operate as some sort of Italian jurisdiction. I don't know what that will achieve.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477904#Comment_122477904

Apparently according to MP Jess Phillips (under "useful idiot" in the dictionary it's a photo of her) they believed that a gang were on the way to attack "somewhere in the city" - so went tooled up and "pre-emptively" attacked a pub beer garden.

No arrests, no emergency courts - curious.

sonofenoch

The old Irish men commit crimes too bullshit bingo, you love to see it …….how many Irish men committed sexual assaults in North Africa or the middle east in the same time period, importing other countries problems only makes sense to the few to everyone else it's deranged

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478521#Comment_122478521

Who exactly is being imported and how is this happening?

The only people I can think of who could be considered imported would be the victims of sex trafficking. I doubt they're being brought here for the benefit of men on 38 euros a week.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478717#Comment_122478717

There's none so blind as those who absolutely refuse to see.

marno21

Roderic O'Gorman's Dept has a budget of 7.44bn this year. Where the **** is all that going?

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

I do foresee a future where we get called out by other EU/NATO members for our defence freeloading, mad how Roderic's Department has almost 6 times our Defence budget.

LongfordMB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478813#Comment_122478813

A cancerous boil on the nation. We could easily get rid of USC for this amount of money, and cut income tax substantially too. Each working family could be 10 to 15% better off if it wasn't for this spectacular scam.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478821#Comment_122478821

What disregard for Irish women?

I think we need to identify the biggest threats and the most effective countermeasures.

This should be done by proper analysis, and not dictated by what court reports show up in your newsfeeds. You talk about blindness but your focus is clearly directed towards a specific cohort of sexual assaults. I've no idea what good does that do for 'Irish' women, or any women?

We should be able to agree though that what's really disgusting is taking Gardai off the streets, who could be tackling sexual violence, and have them deal with the violent, entitled demands of a tiny minority, who don't even have a coherent objective as to what they're demanding.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478821#Comment_122478821

The greatest threat to Irish women is Irish men, always has been always will be. The lengthy thread on the subject of rape beatings and abuse is a testimony to that. All Irish men. Thankfully the system is finally waking up and recognising the harm these abusers inflict is greater than previously believed and is beginning to address the failings in the system which have allowed them to go unpunished in the past.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478813#Comment_122478813

It's pretty much all being pissed away.

For some perspective, a 1% reduction in the 40% tax rate would cost €1b, a 1% reduction in the 20% rate would cost €500m.

If we abolished Roderic's department we could vastly reduce the income tax rate.

• Higher rate goes from 40% to 36% - cost €4bn.
• Standard rate goes from 20% to 13% - cost €3.5bn.

Even if you only halved Roderic's funding you could still get major income tax savings

• Higher rate goes from 40% to 38% - cost €2bn.
• Standard rate goes from 20% to 17% - cost €1.5bn.

That would be my alternative budget, all fully costed by Revenue.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/statistics/ready-reckoner.pdf

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478813#Comment_122478813

It's a stupidly big department. Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth.

Integration should be renamed Immigration and should be a separate department at this point. Closely aligned to Housing.

ROG is gone in 90 days anyway. All his decisions and spending were cabinet approved.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479492#Comment_122479492

I vote for integration/immigration being aligned with defence instead.

As its national security scandal.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479516#Comment_122479516

Well the Defence department seem pretty inept in recent years but I see the logic. Minister Michael Martin to the rescue??

Interesting how McEntee getting no grief anymore for being absolutely clueless and incapable.

Tenzor07

Wow, overspending by almost €200 million to host all our wonderful new arrivals… Wonder if they could have spent that building new affordable homes for working Irish people?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/08/08/international-protection-accommodation-adds-to-195m-overspend-at-department-of-integration/