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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • #1352
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185176#Comment_122185176

    Correlation =/= causation, but the following year, more EVs were bought in Wicklow than any other form of propulsion.



  • #1353
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭zg3409


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185182#Comment_122185182

    To be fair nearly the entire population are commuting to Dublin daily, and are close enough yet far enough for EVs to make sense. There is also a VW dealer in the town pushing EVs with a loyal following. Definitely during rush hours there are lots of EVs in the road and the public charging infrastructure is not too bad with more chargers just waiting on ESB networks to power them up. Nearly every house is owner occupied with off street parking.



  • #1354
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185209#Comment_122185209

    All true, but I'm referring to the entire county. Not sure how Wicklow town fared.



  • #1355
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭maidhc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184903#Comment_122184903

    I think anyone buying an ev outside of the traditional manufacturers can expect massive issues with parts being nla. Tesla are going to be impossible about it and in fairness don’t really make a secret about it and the Chinese may go as quickly as they came.

    The traditional companies have a reputation to uphold at least.



  • #1356
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,085 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185847#Comment_122185847

    a reputation for what? I can't see audi have bowled me over with their after care, plenty complaints about bmw as well



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  • #1357
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭maidhc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186647#Comment_122186647

    I’m thinking more long term. I can buy anything for my landcruiser which went out of production 22 years ago. Likewise when I had a w201 Mercedes msl had a lot of stuff I needed at an ok price.

    It’s a consideration for anyone dropping serious money and thinking of keeping the car for a while.

    It’s not an ev issue per se, but a Fisker ocean, Tesla (maybe), mg, byd, bsd, issue maybe.



  • #1358
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,085 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186681#Comment_122186681

    very very very few people are thinking 20 years ahead buying a car



  • #1359
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭maidhc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186719#Comment_122186719

    it didn’t take 20 years for the chickens to come to roost with Saab, Rover, Mitsubishi, Daewoo



  • #1360
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185847#Comment_122185847

    A reputation that is long dead and buried. Most main dealers are ran by corporations now. Took 4 months to get an O2 sensor for my G30 this year.

    Took 3 months for VW to take an ID in for software update and handle fix.

    Took 4 months for Kia to fix a door seal on the eNiro. That was after it was in the garage and they replaced the boot seal by mistake. Returned the car with the boot open error on the dash and all the plastic trim not fitted correctly.

    Took 3 weeks for Tesla get a replacement seat switch for the Model 3. But the difference there is that the Ranger fixed it in the garden. No time loss for the owner.



  • #1361
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122184903#Comment_122184903

    I'm concerned about my ice car being hit by an atomic bomb, doesn't mean it's likely to happen



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  • #1362
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187549#Comment_122187549

    Careful now, the mods will be on their way..



  • #1363
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187596#Comment_122187596

    Fantastic driving album by the way!

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187607#Comment_122187607

    I suppose the point I'm making is you shouldn't worry about something that is highly unlikely to ever happen



  • #1364
    traco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭traco


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122186681#Comment_122186681

    I've had to wait weeks and months for some parts for my W221 and eventually had to get one part from a breakers in Los Angeles. Even items like theromstat seals and insulators for the plugs were all special order from Germany with long lead times.

    As numbers of specific models increase so to will parts availability.



  • #1365
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Today fm had a discussion at evening drive time on "new" announcements of EV chargers every 60km on motorways. A representative of petrol stations was only interviewee and he said he had the same complaints as always, planning, grid costs, grid connections delays, and charger cost with a 10 year to break even business plan. The actual planned government supports were not discussed. It came across as if the charging network could not grow.

    The actual good news of more chargers planned was glossed over with a moan from those who own petrol stations. If I was interviewed I would point out that some petrol stations have kicked out chargers and installed less chargers to replace them. Also I don't want a charger at every petrol station, instead a big hub every 150km with multiple competing charging providers and a variety of food options besides overpriced take away coffee. The petrol station model may not even have enough parking for 15-20 minutes recharging stops for dozens of vehicles.



  • #1366
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192434#Comment_122192434

    In the first paragraph this is explained

    largely because owners tend to charge them less frequently than expected.

    Well. Yeah, like with any consumer product if you don't follow manufacturer guidance you're not going to get the manufacturers results. I have a family member who makes the most of the P in PHEV, currently (month of May) the car has about a half-tank of petrol. Last filled it up in November I'd say he's largely beating the manufacturers results



  • #1367
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,515 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192519#Comment_122192519

    I heard the same, half a million cost for the installation of rapid chargers, can't see too many lining up for that.



  • #1368
    boetstark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090489#Comment_122090489

    In fairness its not just Ashford motors that have this policy. They won't even trade an ev even if it means selling a car they currently have in stock.

    I would hate to own a car that only certain garages will accept as a trade in. Unfortunately I currently own a Landrover discovery 5 and I will have that issue down the line.



  • #1369
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,856 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122179325#Comment_122179325

    All cars are unsuitable for all segments of the market

    A Micra is unsuitable for a family of 6, any coupe is unsuitable for a family of 5, a 7 seater is unsuitable for a single childless individual, a 3 litre car is unsuitable for someone who can't afford to tax or insure it, a 1 litre car is unsuitable for someone doing long range motorway driving……

    Ban billionaires



  • #1370
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192548#Comment_122192548

    I was disappointed that Matt Cooper cut the interview after that bomb shell comment. He didn't look for an explanation or a comparison. Is it €0.5m per charger or for a bank of 4/6/8 chargers? Comparisons then like how much does it cost for petrol/diesel pumps and what is the "break-even" year for fuel pumps?

    Overall I got the impression that the representative wanted more charging infrastructure and was having a moan about the planning and connections process



  • #1371
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192616#Comment_122192616

    cartakeback (dot) ie will always take a car off you and even pay you a bit for scrapping it



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  • #1372
    boetstark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Scrapping it 😱. I paid almost 70k for it a few months back. Alot of those car buying sites offer a pittance of real value.



  • #1373
    Oscar_Madison
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192635#Comment_122192635

    True- my point is, if EV sales are currently low, part of that is down to the fact that up to 30% of the population (as someone else previously mentioned) don’t have ability to charge at home because they are living in an apartment or don’t have off street parking - that has to impact EV sales surely?



  • #1374
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193155#Comment_122193155

    The theory doesn't make much sense when you look into the numbers. I don't think we've reached a saturation point at 12.7% of market share (the number for 2024) based on only 12.7% of the population having off-street private charging capability. I think the cross section of people who purchase new cars and have access to a private driveway to charge is much higher than this. We should also ask the question, why has market share changed from 16.64% last year. Have we really built so many apartments to explain a 4% change in cars people buy?

    I can walk around my local area and see that there are plenty of off-street driveways with cars registered in the last 18 months that aren't EVs to know that private charging saturation is not yet a major cause. We should still be focusing on encouraging the transition for the easy cases instead.

    The government consultation on regional and local charging was opened 4 days ago, there is movement in the area to improving the charging situation and we have examples of mechanisms that work from other jurisdictions. Norway for instance saw 82.4% BEV share in 2023. I don't think 82.4% of Norwegians live in houses with private off-street parking.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/40f4b-draft-regional-and-local-ev-charging-network-plan/



  • #1375
    Oscar_Madison
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193214#Comment_122193214

    Funny you mention that - 54% live in detached houses in Norway - an additional 12% live in a row house

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/867171/share-of-residents-per-housing-type-in-norway/



  • #1376
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193509#Comment_122193509

    According to the CSO we have 41.2% detached houses, 66.6% if you include semi-detached properties which generally have private parking. Your link indicates that detached plus semi's in Norway is 64.7%. I'd put that into the broadly the same category.

    It looks like the percentage of dwelling types doesn't go anyway to explain a market share difference of 80% vs 12.7%. Maybe it's explained by other things, like the erosion of consumer sentiment by fud media pieces and manufacturers already hitting targets this year allowing them to sweat combustion engine production assets before the change in regulations from 2025.



  • #1377
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Irish times

    Ireland is second most expensive for EV charging in Europe, says report

    "Ireland’s second place in the table is due to an average of €22.25 per full charge, and €6.66 to drive 100km. Germany’s figures, for comparison, were €23.57 for a full charge, and €7.06 per 100km."

    Somewhat balanced with a range of views.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/motors/2024/05/28/ireland-is-second-most-expensive-for-ev-charging-in-europe-says-report/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3xe8Cxf4sGnvpjrSCeiQjcMPaT2FNXzg4rKQQPhdx58no6ZdcV6cyZhX8_aem_ARXH5XG_3aAxMuFFy-DFXg67_6lOiNHlwsMQ9LoW_x3gKZB3edQiXZnXq51Po_OG_tB-6fxyEk_VixJgEtLHYYkY



  • #1378
    Oscar_Madison
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193729#Comment_122193729

    I honestly can’t see the Irish population swayed by some “article” or other to the degree that it’s stifling growth of the EV car market- it’s likely the vast majority haven’t even bothered reading such articles whether good bad or indifferent to EVs

    Blaming articles on the very low uptake of EVs is just daft in my view - everything from increased numbers working from home, increased costs such as mortgages etc taking away income that could be used to buy a new car, increased costs of everything - all of the above and more besides are all significant factors - in addition, the EV new car prices are well above what people would pay for equivalent ICE cars a few years ago - so maybe these people are continuing to buy ICE- I know 6 people who brought new cars this year- not one of them purchased an EV



  • #1379
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭zg3409


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122192616#Comment_122192616

    Ashford motors have or had a porche EV for sale at an inflated price and it was not selling, surprise surprise.

    There are big into social media and click bait.

    It's really a big hype of lies and free airtime as advertisement for a motor dealer. Even the person themselves admitted exaggeration and not to take them too seriously. They specialise in high performance cars abd have lots of non EVs to shift in a high interest rate market that is quiet.



  • #1380
    boetstark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193901#Comment_122193901

    It's not just Ashford motors. I could list at least 5 large garages that refuse Ev motors.

    As I said like ev's. We had one but the residual values are a lottery.



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  • #1381
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193858#Comment_122193858

    I don't think we've seen an increase in people working from home since this time last year, just as we haven't seen a significant change in the split of dwelling types. Your point about prices being higher for EVs than people would have spent for new cars is somewhat mute when we are talking about new market share. The bestselling car this year is a model that starts at €40,000. If your theory was correct, we'd see a drop in all drivetrains.

    I think you give far too much value to the ignorance of the Irish public that they haven't been influenced by the significant number of media articles that have been attacking EVs it's a bid to sell papers. The whole point of fud is to make people uncertain and to stick with what they know. The numbers show that it appears to be working.



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