Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122198579#Comment_122198579

Interesting and probably true; however not a good thing really if it is true.

Anyway - having observed the consistency of anti-cycling and in particular anti-cyclist articles over the past 10/15 years across all mediums of media, I can merely say 'Welcome to the Club'.

The most benign spin you can put on it is that its part of some culture war, what part I dont understand.

But the fact is that most print media and day time radio is consumed by an older, conservative demographic who like their old ways; and they sure dont like cyclists. Newspapers can be 'voice of record' in theory, but they aint gonna cross those punters.

Flinty997

I've noticed an increase in disinformation, false narratives, distortion etc. One I spotted an article that was balanced and the next day it had been edited to distort the truth. I know at that point it's deliberate. Started for me with public services, then cycling then EVs. noticed it also with housing stats, landlords, immigration etc. Some news organisations have an obvious political agenda, and then click bait comes into it.

The EV stuff though has got to absurd levels. Going to wedding on other side of the country, going to charge the car very last minute in an area without fast chargers, or reliable charging. That's just nonsense. Having to charge 2hrs for 30 mins driving etc.

Ev fan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122216544#Comment_122216544

The opposite approach would be range extenders like the new Qashqai e power. I don't know how the cost comparisons are between a longer range phev and range extenders? A friend of mine bought a new RAV4 but wouldn't go for the PHEV version even though he could afford it. He reckoned the extra price premium for the PHEV vs potential fuel savings wasn't worth it. The RAV4 hybrid is surprisingly frugal for such a big tall car with around 50mpg overall.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218214#Comment_122218214

The Qashqai e power isn't a range extender, it's just a series hybrid with no capability to charge the battery other than running the petrol motor to generate electricity.

The term range extender is used for cars that primarily operate from a battery charged via a plug that has a similar series hybrid system to extend the battery range, such as BMWs I3 REX

Ev fan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218214#Comment_122218214

Sorry got my thoughts crossed on this. The e power runs solely on electric power which is supplied by a petrol engine. I actually meant something like rhe BMW i3 Rex range extender for people who aren't prepared to rely on a full BEV.

Flinty997

Some of car reviews I've seen have mentioned the comparatively poor economy of the e-power PHEV. But also noted it was the closest to an BEV in terms of driving experience. Those new nissan SUVs are roomier then many competitors, I really liked them. Lots of real buttons also. Perhaps if you stay within the battery mostly it all works out.

Flinty997

Some owner reviews of the e-power really liked them. A large i3 Rex seating 5+ might tick a lot of boxes for people.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218244#Comment_122218244

I thought the ice doesn't power the drivetrain directly though in e-power . They might have more than one drive train called e-power though.

https://www.evanshalshaw.com/blog/what-is-nissan-e-power/#:~:text=In%20a%20conventional%20hybrid%2C%20the,pack%20while%20you're%20driving.

Bovakinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218287#Comment_122218287

The petrol engine runs as a generator and charges the battery. The battery powers an electric motor to move the wheels. For some reason there is no way to plug them in to charge the battery, so the petrol engine isn't a range extender, it's the only energy source.

maidhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217610#Comment_122217610

even if they didn’t plug it in; unless you are in the green lobby… so?

I have a rav4 phev, it’s always plugged in and all its driving is on cheap electricity. I rarely (only once ever) used public charging because the ice is more convenient and arguably cheaper to run that public charging.

The additional cost of the phev is well worth it, as you get away more performance, 4x4 and better towing capacity. 50mpg is optimistic, I think it’s closer to mid 40s.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218351#Comment_122218351

That you jump straight to "green lobby" speaks volumes.

Its pointless to carry the extra weight and complexity of hybrid drive train if people don't plug it in. They'd get better mpg (and all the other stuff) without it. Just buy a non hybrid ICE. It's just physics. They are generally paying more for a less economical vehicle, if they don't (or rarely) plug it in. They certainly aren't recovering the extra cost by cheap electricity if they don't plug it in.

Likewise I doubt the fuel saving on filling up in a garage on occasional long trips vs the cost of public charging really offsets the extra costs of the PHEV, unless you are doing a lot of long distance driving and public charging.

But then if you are doing a lot of long distance driving and public charging, a non hybrid diesel makes more sense. Whereas if the vast majority of your driving is home charged then a BEV makes more sense.

Likewise any fringe cases like towing or 4x4 use just get the ICE. If someone says they are happy to pay more to have the PHEV and no range anxiety, I get that. Or just like driving a hybrid.or actually plug it in a lot..

But the govt is not penalising anyone from having a diesel or petrol so theres no requirement to have a hybrid over a non hybrid. It's still 2008 in that regard.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218329#Comment_122218329

The HV battery capacity is only 1.9kWh which is why there isn’t an option to plug in. Personally I don’t see the attraction to an e-Power drivetrain but each to their own.

Flinty997

If it worked like a bigger i3rex maybe. But it doesn't. I expect it will be a dead end.

RoboRat

Manufacturers don't want to move to BEV because the dealers don't want to. Most dealers make a pittance on a new car sale, irrespective of the fuel type. They make their money on the servicing and parts, hence why warranties include scheduled servicing intervals and are voided if not adhered to.

BEVs require far less servicing due to no carbon build-up and a fraction of the number of moving parts. Many BEV owners have admitted to rarely servicing their vehicles and most who do, probably do so to keep the warranty. Naturally, dealers will baulk against BEVs if they're going to affect their bottom line.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218351#Comment_122218351

I know somebody who last filled his PHEV with petrol before Christmas, and still has about half a tank. At the time he bought it you could get the full 10k grant on PHEVs. That grant was the main reason people bought them instead of the non-plugin-hybrids with zero intention to ever plug it in

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218623#Comment_122218623

I think it's far less likely that manufacturers are worried about dealer servicing income than they are about the meeting fleet emissions targets. 2025 brings new targets and a new reason for an automotive group to sell more efficient cars. 2024 is the last year of old targets and a last chance for manufacturers to sweat as much money from less efficient cars.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218974#Comment_122218974

Obviously doesn't do long trips that often.

Henry Ford III

This is an EV forum inhabited by pro EV people presumably.

You're unlikely to get a balanced discussion here I'd have thought.

micks_address

sales still tumbling… https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0604/1452944-new-electric-car-sales-drop-for-fourth-month-in-a-row/

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122216544#Comment_122216544

surely 1000km range and fast charging removes all barriers to ev? People don't have fuel pumps at their homes either

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217458#Comment_122217458

emissions?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219383#Comment_122219383

In addition all sales are down..."Overall, just over 6,400 new cars were registered in May, down 15% on the same month last year..."

Can't see EV sales recovering for a very long time if ever without some major intervention.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219069#Comment_122219069

oh can you point me to where the balanced discussion is?

micks_address

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219423#Comment_122219423

agreed, as a buyer i might have to spend upwards of 2k to install a charger at home depending on the age of the wiring in the house.. to access home charging night/cheap rates… otherwise im paying diesel prices at public chargers… 2k buys a lot of diesel/petrol.. somethings going to have to change to convince those who havent made the jump to do so..

argentum

Conor Pope reckons he saved €25.00 .Not a hope in hell would I buy a car to save so little money on a trip like that

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219460#Comment_122219460

good analysis, that's exactly why you buy them to save 25 quid on a the odd long trip.

Fair play.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219001#Comment_122219001

If that's the case, why are EV sales increasing in other EU countries but decreasing here?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0604/1452944-new-electric-car-sales-drop-for-fourth-month-in-a-row/

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219055#Comment_122219055

About 30km a day, but during the summer its a different story, I'd say about 10 full tanks of petrol a year, 8 of them in July and August as he has a holiday home without the ability to charge the car

micks_address

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219481#Comment_122219481

its a good solution for both him and the environment.. in fairness if most of your driving can be done in ev drive.. and you do a number of longer journeys a year then how bad? newer phevs like the new tiguan can do nearly 100km and charge quicker so would be ideal for most commuters.. id be tempted myself if it didnt feel like a step backwards.. not having to think about where you might need to charge while i holiday is definitely something nice

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219460#Comment_122219460

I'm surprised any EVs are sold in this country when purchasers are so easily influenced by articles like this. I bought a new iPhone. I normally use an Android but all phones are the same so you can consider me an expert. Last night it was on 5% going to bed but there isn’t a socket within reach of the bed so I didn’t charge it. I had to go in to the office first thing this morning for a meeting so I had to leave the house with it on 3%. Couldn’t get a seat on the train to charge it, so couldn’t make any calls on the way to work or handle emails. Pain. Building pass is stored on the phone so I needed the phone alive to get in. Just made it with 1% to spare but stress.

Would any person after reading the above think “not a hope in hell I’m buying an iPhone” ?