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€25k invested in prize bonds

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭tuisginideach


    nothing here



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭pbwinner


    Winnings on 10th May 2024: €0

    Last win 7th July 2023: €50

    Total winnings on €25k from Feb 2011 to date: €3300

    2011: €75 x 4 = €300

    2012: €75 x 6 = €450

    2013: €50 x 12 = €600

    2014: €50 x 9 = €450

    2015: €50 x 5 = €250

    2016: €50 x 5 = €250

    2017: €50 x 4 = €200

    2018: €50 x 2 = €100

    2019: €50 x 6 = €300

    2020: €50 x 5 = €250

    2021: €50 x 1 = €50

    2022: €50 x 1 = €50

    2023: €50 x 1 = €50

    2024: €0 x 0 = €0



  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭POBox19


    That's a long dry spell for 4,000 bonds, commiserations. I hope your luck changes soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Hope this isn't too much off topic but I'm looking after my mothers Premium Bonds and having just sold her house to pay for her care over there I've just topped them up to the full £50k

    Anyway just logged in to check exactly how much I needed to top them up to the full 50k I noticed she's one £300 on 30k in May and another £100 back in Feb. Should be the full 50k for next month so will update here if anyone is interested - rather than start a new thread.

    Me on €5k prize bonds nothing so far this year.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Nothing for me today. The €50K went to a YP bond in Dublin. Last week it was a YG in Donegal from December 2014. Dublin also got 14 of the 20 €1K prizes and 10 of the €500's.

    486024 along with two others from the first million in 1957 won €75. But it is possible that they might not get their money, and they have a few others in a bunch of Unclaimed. In six months time all will be revealed. The unclaimed €75's would be from pre 2012, before the €50 prizes came in.

    Draw Date Prize Value Bond Number Status

    10 May 2024 €75.00 486024 Awarded

    (Earlier than May 2020 where draw date is not stated).

    €75.00 486021 Unclaimed

    €75.00 486026 Unclaimed

    €50.00 486028 Unclaimed



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Dry day for me



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭worded


    Hi,

    Just noticed the tracker is gone ...

    Can I add them.some where else and get an email notification of a win?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭carrickbawn


    Nothing here today. Lucky BEH bonds had another 1000 winner today and 15x€75 .



  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Keep us posted, hopefully she'll be lucky.

    As you have reached the £50k any further wins will be sent to her nominated UK bank a/c.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭POBox19


    You need to register online with State Savings. There is a good post at #9028 from @Hibernicis explaining the process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 614 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    Yesterday was my first €75 win since switching to Online. Can anyone here confirm if they still send out the slips for the new PBs that I won or if that's gone once you switch to Online?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Also just won my first €75, woohoo! I just got the cash winnings into my account so can't answer the above question, though.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭cobham


    You will get a paper cert mid week next week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭pbwinner


    Slips? You mean the winning notification letters? Yes they still are sent out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭pbwinner


    Winnings on 17th May 2024: €0

    Last win 7th July 2023: €50

    Total winnings on €25k from Feb 2011 to date: €3300

    2011: €75 x 4 = €300

    2012: €75 x 6 = €450

    2013: €50 x 12 = €600

    2014: €50 x 9 = €450

    2015: €50 x 5 = €250

    2016: €50 x 5 = €250

    2017: €50 x 4 = €200

    2018: €50 x 2 = €100

    2019: €50 x 6 = €300

    2020: €50 x 5 = €250

    2021: €50 x 1 = €50

    2022: €50 x 1 = €50

    2023: €50 x 1 = €50

    2024: €0 x 0 = €0



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Nothing on 5k

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    €75 for me today, email came at 12:40. JY677374 Dublin got the €50K. JY038748 from February 2009 got the €500K on 28 March. Five winners from the first million bonds. Two very close, not the same person.

    Prize Value Winning Prize Bond Location

    €75.00 785197 Longford

    €75.00 785308 Louth

    While looking at the numbers, I found this bond which has 2 x €75 Unclaimed going back to pre 2012.

    Prize Value Bond Number Status

    €75.00 361374 Unclaimed

    €75.00 361374 Unclaimed



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Bit of unusually good luck for someone in Leitrim.

    Prize Value Winning Prize Bond Location

    €75.00 AXG390665 Leitrim

    €75.00 AXG391635 Leitrim

    €75.00 AXG391816 Leitrim

    €75.00 AXG392504 Leitrim



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭mun1


    switched my €100k in prizebonds to 5 yr state savings certificate, 9% AER after 5 yrs (€9k),Still secure but better return than PB’s where i got prizes of €2,200 over last 6 years. (2.2%).

    Low risk, (&low return investment) is what I needed for the €100k for next 5 yrs.

    Post edited by mun1 on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You have joined Issue 25 of Savings Certificates. A direct comparison with your past winnings from Prize Bonds would be a combination of what was earned in interest from Issues 22 to 24 inclusive. If each was tying up €100K for 5 years.

    22 5% from June 2016. 23 3% from June 2021. 24 5% from 23 March 2023. 25 9% from 01 October 2023. Timing is everything with fixed interest products. Someone who bought in March 2023 might be feeling a bit sorry for themselves now.

    With average luck, but with no sort of guarantee, €100K in Prize Bonds can look forward to winning €3,750 in the 5 years starting 01 October 2023. Providing the notional interest rate stays the same. Savings Certs guarantee €9,000, but with this progression:

    At the end of Year 1 €100K is still worth €100K, zero interest added. End of Year 2 €101,500. Year 3 €102,500. Year 4 €104,500. Year 5 €109,000. And in the small print it says that no interest is added between those anniversaries on any money withdrawn. So someone facing an emergency say after 1 year and 9 months would get zero interest on withdrawal.

    Having instant access with no penalties to a big sum makes it more flexible if some better opportunity comes along in the 5 years. Or again an unforeseen emergency. There are plusses and minusses to both choices. In the end, how much better would any of our lives be if we have an extra €9,000 in 5 years time, instead of of an extra €3,750. And none of the fun every Friday? When we have €100K we don't need to touch for that lenght of time.

    I see our friends in the Credit Union movement have been voted the most popular organisation in the country again. Their offering to depositors is miserable and subject to DIRT. But they avoid the adverse spotlight that only gets put on the poor Prize Bonds holders. And the rich ones.

    Anyone interested can google "Issue x Savings Certificates", to see the progression of interest in previous schemes. They used to have 6 monthly intervals where the interest was added, instead of 12. The one we all missed out on was Issue 10, which would have turned 100K into 161,000 in 5 years. (The limit was 15K).

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1981/si/52/made/en/print



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭mun1


    fair point re locking in money but i wont need it in the next 5 years as i have other funds to cover other options if they arise. (sum of €3,750 isn’t guaranteed and the €9,000 is, as PB can reduces prizes at any point ).

    Point is PB’s isn’t in any way a good investment with better and more flexible options available.

    I can do the euromillions every weekend for a bit of fun :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If bonds win anything in the first two years they will be doing better than certs. It is only after two full years that the first €1,500 (on €100K) interest is added. I just thought it would be useful to outline the information. Some people seeing the 9% headline figure might not be aware of the early pain needed to get to the long term gain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭tuisginideach


    Nothing for the past few weeks



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭sk8board


    have you worked out the true losses after inflation in that 13 year period, or is the intention to stay the course until presumably Interest rates rise again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,811 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    According to the CPI, the loss is just under €3,000 from February 2011 to April 2024. But looking at the graph, they were probably hoding their own or better until around 2020. From 2011 to 2022 (latest available), the total amount held in Prize Bonds increased from €1.33 billion to €4.7 billion.

    Back in 2015 they were getting so popular with the high rollers, that the NTMA was forced to bring in a €250K limit on individual holdings. Prize Bond people are very canny, and they all have diversified portfolios. They don't need any advice from concerned citizens.

    https://visual.cso.ie/?body=entity/cpicalculator



  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    There is some amount of palaver involved in going from the Prize Bond Tracker to the State Savings thingy, online application, multiple letters with forms that need to be filled in and sent back, multiple phone calls, to such an extent that I have given up on it, looks like a new employment opportunity has been created for under employed civil servants



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Try setting up when you have no mobile coverage at home. Got there in the end but it was a pain.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well what happened as far as I can see is that An Post manages the State Savings scheme.

    They had a legacy postal procedure to do this, with letters going to & fro.

    An Post were told to digitise the service to make it easier for the public to use.

    So An Post simply put a new layer of passwords and online forms in front of their old system but kept the entire latter!

    An Post should never be put in charge of anything except delivering letters and parcels, which they do very well.

    Utterly inefficient at most other things they do.

    Nothing won in ages on Prize Bonds……. :(



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    @Furze99 said "Well what happened as far as I can see is that An Post manages the State Savings scheme."

    It's more complicate than this. Ultimately state savings are the responsibility of for the Minister for Finance and his Department. Finance outsource the management of State Savings to NTMA's Funding and Debt Management Unit. NTMA outsource the day to day operation of the State Saving portfolio of products (1) to An Post for all products other than Prize bonds and (2) to The Prize Bond Company for Prize Bonds. The Prize Bond Company is a joint venture between An Post and Fexco. "State Savings" is no more than a brand name.

    Everything I have experienced in my dealings with the different aspects of the outfit over the years suggests that the whole think is a bit of a cinderella operation, chugging away in the background, providing a stable €8bn in funding to the State at low and predictable cost. Strategically and operationally, it appears to be a very low energy business that gets little attention, is devoid of leadership, and rife with weak processes, procedures and staff training. The underlying concept of the products is rock solid, and could be used for the common good (it's customers and the state) to a far greater extent. But it has in reality gone in the opposite direction over the last decade.

    The process of registering for "State Savings Online" is ridiculously slow and quirky, especially given that it was only designed and introduced 3 years ago. It has the look and feel of something from the 80's. What is even more frustrating is their failure to advance and develop the platform, and address the many functional shortcomings. There has been almost no enhancement since the launch and there is no sign of functionality such as "rapid registration", full operation of joint holdings, access to Post Office Savings Accounts, reinvestment of early en-cashments etc. being added.



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