Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

the grants are there as a mechanism for cheap food and to improved conditions to meet cheap food policy, there are only so many ways you can skin a cat…..if we were making good money there would be no such thing as farming grants or cap in eu

brought my granfather to doctor last week, over 20 on staff, not one person in doctors practice work more than a three day working week, that includes doctors, the doctor gets a GRANT to pay for each of their nurses and secretaries and bills out nurse at 50/hr, all doctors in practice get a GMS list of people on social/over 65/under 5 in area and get a grant/yearly payment of aprox 100k to cover seeing/or not these patients during the year, private patients pay on top…..

now look at the grants/funding/subsistence available to doctors and look at the "grants/eu subsistence funding" available to us farmers for keeping people away from the doctor by providing the plane of nutrition, there is a gulf between us, i think we missed a trick somewhere on TMAS id have picked the paid employee over the french bulk tank or german milk machine any day if given the choice:)

inflated land prices have occurred due to tax free rental and if you have a ball of money made from another industry sitting in the bank its has been a low risk investment, with enviro regs renting is becoming less feasible, you might see a correction yet to land and rental prices as farms across the board are under serious financial pressure….high rents and high debt and bad weather is a bad combination

giving entitlements back boils my piss when renting ….. 500 is steep for what you’ve outlined but that and more is the going rate now

Gradually leasers are seeing the steam going out of the market. There's no real young farmers under 40 now. And I bet that farm was from someone retiring from farming and had let it go that way through doing the bare minimum for years on the wind down.

Since when did first cut silage cut the end of May, become poor quality, stemmy silage. I'm not talking about seeded lodged stuff. Is the 50% heading out advice gone. Jayus at 170e/ acre for the pit, you need to fill the trailer.

You would want a lot of silage ground and every acre of your farm suitable for mowing if you are depending on 4 or 5 bales to the acre "soft" silage

For once I have to agree with nearly everything you have said there bass. O

Contractor costs are a killer to be fair, switched contractors this year to a lad that was happy to charge by the wagon load, first cut cost 55 euro incl vat in the pit which included tedding/raking/wagon, mowed and put it up ourselves…

Flipside is cows wont milk of poor silage and youll end up with milk proteins on the floor in a poor spring for grazing

agree …..but some lads love looking at massive swarths of grass ,harvesters puffing smoke crawling around picking them up and a pit gone to the sky ….quality always trumps quantity …..but if you go about it right way you will get both

you’re probably right but there is an exponential amount of ‘farmers’ getting paid to do nothing now who would never allow this happen, Ming was interviewed at a hustings during last week and he said any farmer in the golden vale doesn’t need payments it should be watered down for them and given to the guy/girl in the west to pay them more for being unproductive…go figure.

Its on icbf

People need to be very careful and think long and hard who Is voted for in Europe. To be fair we have sent a serious bunch of puppets the last couple of terms ...…ming is a pot head who has very little grasp of reality the redistribution of payments is his push for reelection on a green pro subsided farmer doing nothing only farming subs and pro environmental rubbish

I think the most disappointing thing from the sitting meps is that the likes or markey and kelleher were well able to be vocal re nitrates and such when things were confirmed being reactive rather than proactive and these guys are meant to be pro dairy farmer. What alternatives have we this time around that will genuinely fight for us, at a loss to come up with any or what’s yer view on it?

While I completely disagree with ming as I’d imagine most here would you can see he’s playing the political game with his voter base.

Ya I agree with you and to be honest I don't no what to say or who to vote for.we as a country have a habit of using European elections as a protest vote and end up electing ejeets imo.