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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    What if Dublin took the same attitude? Is there a pitch that straddles the Leinster-Connacht border? Athlone the closest I can think of…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Not a hope - the capacity of the ground just wouldn't be up to it. Plus, Mayo fans would probably be parking in Tarmonbarry and the Dubs in Edgeworthstown! 😋😂

    You've never seen the queues for the toilets at the back of the stand in Castlebar for even a league game so, it always a nightmare! 😕

    I'm really confused here….. I think you need to read the quote I was replying because my response was exactly as to what should happen if Dublin took the same attitude…… And I did suggest Limerick, which is in the neutral province of Munster? 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    What is the actual criteria for venue selection?. Must it be a neutral province or is that just a preference? I would have thought capacity and similar travel distance for each county was more important.

    I'm sticking with Limerick as best option anyway..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    that sort of logic should apply, but never will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    No published criteria and even with all the uproar over it in recent years (from Super 8's up to last year's new Group Stages) I've never seen them give clear outlines on how they evaluate options. Just a "CCCC will decide".

    At underage, distance is viewed as a key factor. In various competitions if it's over a certain distance to an away game a neutral venue will be used instead to lessen the burden. You'd imagine it plays a part in this too. Beyond that, who knows.

    Provincial clashes didn't seem to be an issue last year for most of the games with Kerry/Louth in Laois, Galway/Armagh in Leitrim, Tyrone/Westmeath in Cavan, Mayo/Cork in Limerick or Kildare/Roscommon in Offaly.

    Gaelic Grounds a solid balance of distance, size, quality and equal distance. Certainly near the top of the list for our game you'd imagine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Compo82


    Limerick is probably the most likeliest option if the CCCC do decide that it is a neutral venue. Roscommon and Tullamore do not have enough seats for season ticket holders I'd imagine. Hopefully isn't not Croke Park. Atmosphere would be much better in Limerick. I do not see a big Mayo crowd traveling to Croke Park at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Based on all that having the game in the province of either team isn't a factor.

    A big thing in Limericks favour is the train. I think a certain proportion of Dublin fans don't even own cars or drive and getting on the train will bring more of them than relying on buses.

    "CCCC will decide" probably means 'let's try and get it in Croke park and if there's big resistance we will reluctantly look elsewhere'

    Michael Gallagher is right in this week's Mayo News. The minute the Leinster final is over the County Board should be contacting Croke Park and insisting it shouldn't be in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    I think you're right. We'll have Cavan next weekend. Then a short enough trip to Roscommon shortly after. Dublin after. Then (probably) the 2nd v 3rd place playoff. And then the 1/4 finals the following week. That is far too expensive for the majority of families. People will obviously wish to make the knock out matches of the 2nd v 3rd and the 1/4 finals. If Mayo beat Roscommon and Cavan, the Dublin game will be seen as many to be a bit of a foregone conclusion, and too expensive, especially if in Dublin. The bigger games arrive in the following 2 weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Lots of posters bang on the money here - Mayo v Dublin will attract a far bigger attendance in a venue outside Croke Park, especially seeing as the losers are potentially on the road again for the following two weeks and one of those is potentially another CP game (obviously, it would be Mayo would be the favourites of the two to end up with this schedule at the moment). Then again, since when did HQ ever give a f**k about logic, fairness, supporters etc…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I Think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here.

    I hoping the Dublin game will decide who tops the group but that's far from a shoe in.

    Tullamore should be out in my opinion, has less seats than new Hyde and no public transport from Mayo.

    Hyde park doesn't probably have enough seats for season tix but is equidistant and trains from both Dublin and Mayo.I hope it might be here though as I doubt any team in Ireland has as good a record as Mayo in Hyde Park.The CCCC chairman being from roscommon shouldn't come into it but in reality it probably does.

    Limerick is probably the fairest option although no public transport from Mayo.Enough seats and a memorable day on the cards if its a winner takes top spot game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Lads what's the craic. Heading over on Saturday from Cavan any tips on parking aiming to be over early and grab a the dinner before the game.

    Looking for a decent spot to park and more importantly a decent spot for a feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭HBC08


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Youll be coming in the N5,I think best option is to get in as far as you can to the first roundabout (locally Mulroys roundabout or Dublin road roundabout) and turn the car back the way you came.

    You're a short distance (10 mins walk to Bar1,Coxes and Barrel And Castle all on the same street) These are all good spots for food. Bridge Street Bar and the famous Mick Byrnes (if you want football talk) are all in the same area.

    Its a bonus this game isnt on telly,there will be a big crowd.

    I have a soft spot for Cavan and hope you enjoy your time and the craic in Cbar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,635 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Thankfully we never made the move for Mcguiness
    He is a dinosaur
    Out of touch with the modern game
    A one trick pony
    Can’t win anything without Murphy
    A soccer man

    Have I missed anything ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yep that about covers it.

    He's just the type of manager Mayo need but will probably never get based on past appointments.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    oisin gallen couldnt kick off his left last year , super score today imagine what he could do with the likes of fergie b and ryan o donohue ,



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    Jimmy is from Donegal

    The players he coaches are from Donegal.

    There is no guarantee his success would translate to another county.

    If what we heard is true a big part of the success of 2012 was the "all in" nature of it.

    The absolute commitment to the task and the system above all else.

    That's much easier to do when the person who is asking you to do it is from your own county.

    I'm not for a minute downplaying what Jimmy did in 2012, personally I think Donegal's success that year was one of the greatest achievements in the history of the GAA, nor am I downplaying what he has done thus far this year.

    I'm just not sure it would translate to Mayo.

    What Mayo needs to do is find their own version of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I don't think there is a Mayo version of him at the moment. John Maughan was possibly the closest to him in terms of mindset and organisation during his 96-99 stint.

    But Jimmy has AI medals as a player and manager and should have the respect of any dressing he walked into. The Jack O'Shea experience seemed to scare us off looking outside the county but that was 30 years ago and it's probably time we moved past that.

    We have probably missed the boat with Jimmy though and he may not have been interested anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    For me it was Horan who is the closest in his first stent in particular. Horan changed so much over the period he was manager. He found the players and brought us to the top table. McGuiness did to Cassidy what Horan did to Mortimer. This set a standard and everyone knew the ask. Bold moves by both managers that drove a very different agenda to what went on before. The only difference is that MuGuiness got one and we let a few fall through our fingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    You could make that argument yes. He certainly raised standards and discipline levels but I don't feel Horan was as similar to McGuinness as he appeared at the time. McGuinness seems more adaptable to the opposition whereas Horan seemed more interested in Mayo rigidly sticking to a gameplan rather than analysing the opposition.

    In any case McStay is still in charge and hopefully we will see some positive signs over the next few matches. But whether he finishes up this year or next year I'd like to see an outside manager come in to replace him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Any of the folks nationally (especially up-and-comers) catching your eye so far this year?

    Can't think of too many names that jump out with big experience or success behind them, so a fresher face might be a good direction at the moment for teams (ourselves or others) looking for a change.

    - Ger Brennan will be an interesting one to watch with the rest of Louth's season, certainly has potential. Seems to be pencilled in already for the Dublin job in the future where a good showing in the Group Stages might advance that a few years.

    - Andy Moran another having a good year so far, after the rocky one last year. You'd imagine would be high on lists for a lot of teams if/when they go looking. I'd be surprised if he isn't right in the middle of the battle whenever the next Mayo role does come up.

    - Tony McEntee doing a smashing job with Sligo at the moment. The whole setup down there seems to be moving in a really positive direction, with McEntee seemingly providing a nice steadying hand at the front of the ship (his years around the Mayo setup all came with really positive words from the lads). You'd be surprised if he doesn't take a step-up the divisions in the near future.

    Beyond that it starts getting challenging. You're probably looking at folks like Mark Fitzgerald moving up in level, older hands like Malachy O'Rourke or James Horan going back to the pump again, or someone like a Kieran Donaghy or Mark McHugh (both huge potential) making the switch over from coaching roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Brennan looks like a strong contender to replace Farrell alright if he keeps going like he is now. That's no good to us though of course.

    Andy is very likely to be a contender for Mayo job if they go with the same appointment process again but this time I'd rather someone more experienced with AI medals either as player or coach or better still both. If I had to choose I'd prefer McEntee over Andy.

    If he was available Eamon Fitzmaurice would be my first choice but the distance would probably rule that out for him. Same for Jack O'Connor who I'd be very happy with too.

    The other names you mention don't inspire me right now. Maybe McHugh but not much to go on there.

    If we want a top class AI winning manager I can't see us getting one through the protracted appointment process we had last time. A top name would have to be approached directly and told the job is theirs if they accept it.

    Wonder are there any bright young managers around the colleges that would be worth considering?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭eastie17


    I have no evidence of this, but I think Tony McEntee was the one who made Stephen Rochfords Mayo team so good. SR was mediocre at best when involved with Donegal and while the season is not over, I see very little progression in this Mayo team over 2 seasons or even any clear template of what they are trying to do.

    I dont think he'd get involved with us again

    Anyway, unfortunately I think we are wasting away the last days of Cillian O'Connor, Aidan O'Shea maybe even Paddy D and Diarmuid O'Connor with the current management team. They are pretty much guaranteed to be around for year 3 unless there is some mad implosion over the 3 games in the group stage, and even then it would have to be something like 3 losses for the CB to get rid of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭NabyLadistheman


    Ger Brennan! I’d sooner go without a manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He wont be coming to Mayo.

    Who would your first choice be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    McEntee is prob the stand out guy and by all accounts the underage manager in Sligo is a guy well placed to take over when McEntee decides to move on.

    Andy is not a runner. Other outside manager like Kevin Walsh and Oisin McConville might be interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭spakman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Just putting in names that may be interested so this is speculation. He was under Dempsey's ticket and I read an article way back where he mentioned that he would like to manage Mayo or something to that effect.

    The highlighting of managers in this thread by a good few users… and alot of people I speak to are questioning McStay. its only going one way for McStay unless he gets his act together but does he really have the quality either. Tough few weeks now to see what way this turns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭crusd


    I think we dont do enough to develop our coaches. Sean Deane should have been involved in U20s this year, not necessarily as head coach. Yes they lost the final that perhaps we should have won, but he developed players who played an excellent brand of football and should have had the opportunity to continue that development. It as instructive that after all appointments had been made for this year he stated he was stepping away this year due to "work commitments", which strikes me as a bit of him potentially not fitting in the inner circle so he stepped away to save face but not burn any bridges



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Why not? We usually don't have a long list of AI winners rushing to manage us. Worth considering anyway and he has an affinity for Mayo, based on podcasts I've heard him on over the years. Maybe even as an assistant to McEntee. 2 Crossmaglen lads.

    In a way it's a bit premature to be discussing a McStay replacement but if we don't see some signs of progress for the remaining games a lot of debate will begin on whether a third year is desirable.

    "Work commitments" could also just mean work commitments. I do agree that he had a very nice minor team and they seemed to like him as a coach. But he probably did a bit too much talking and engaged a bit too much with the local media in the run up to that final though. It felt like the pressure got to them, whereas Galway prepared for that game almost unnoticed. I'd like to think he'd do things differently again. He probably should still be involved in underage if was interested.



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