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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    The statement itself is factually correct - they did say that - but the subtext suggests that Ukraine won't stop them. It is also tantamount to cheering on Russia because there is not a word of condemnation of Russia.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    "russia will not rest" ….it should have read "putin will not rest"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Skyrocketed"
    "10%"

    I guess? Good job though Uke's

    This totally belongs here, I remember this segment, finally dusted off out of the archives and put on youtube, John Oliver's original episode on Drones, back during the Obama administration, a sign of things to come 10 years later (starts around 8 mins in)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ukraine may be losing ground on the frontline but Russia is losing the oil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Would it still be "civilian"/consumer Starlink they are relying on for activities of their military?

    As far as remember he [Musk] was trying to get some US govt. contract to provide it for Ukraine and expect that is done by now.

    So if that is the case and he shafts Ukraine and helps Putin and Russia (in the name of "peace", or avoiding nukes flying of course!) by compromising his own company's system it is the US DoD and military that he is sticking it to and betraying rather than just Ukraine.

    A lot more risky for him if he does it and he gets caught, even for someone as rich and powerful as he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Just because he's an expert in rescue subs doesn't mean he's an expert in geo-politics and warfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    One of the tanks going to be on display in Moscow, the gun barrel was too straight. So it had to be bent with a weight from a crane to look droopy like the Putin meme of him in a tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Has anyone graphed the frequency of Russian media threatening nuclear Armageddon against the daily death count of the serfs of Putin? I would think there is a strong correlation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Bang on the money there. Absolutely critical that (1) Ukraine preserves as many of its soldiers as possible, and (2) the West doesn't allow the s**show of the last 6 months to happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Right.. so western leaders who are stating for a while now that Russia will not stop after taking Ukraine are making mind numblingly stupid statements then? ..... why are they not called out on this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Tubby little f**k… they're all brave men with an autocratic, corrupt regime cocooning them. Never so tough when the walls start to crumble. His day will come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Speaking of tubby little f**ks… his day will come too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Surely you're not suggesting its a 'statement' of fact? It's an opinion. An opinion made by an amoral, pampered billionaire with no more insight into the geopolitical nuances of the region than any clown on the internet. Its an opinion of a man interested purely in power and money, who cosies up to whatever political power will further his ambitions. Its about as 'correct' as the time he used his global platform to label a stranger on the internet a paedophile.

    The issue isn't even whether his opinion is well founded or not, its the abuse of power by someone who has openly displayed scant regard for the basic human rights of ordinary people. Someone who thinks its perfectly fine to fire employees on the spot for not going along with his deranged views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    I wouldn't be one bit surprised if his main source of information is Douglas McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    Yet another one. There's no shortage of them, is there?

    But you see, he was motivated by the greater good and just wanted to avoid nuclear war.

    It's not the fact that he's an angry Alternative against Germany supporter, whose spite and hatred drove him as far as to commit high treason against the nation which he doubtlessly professes to love. No, all he is saying is give peace a chance.

    There's one thing that's certain and that is that he can count his lucky stars that he benefits from living in a civilised country and not the kind of Germany that he longs for, where he would have had to answer as a traitor to Judge Roland Freisler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Re: Russia will stop at <X> (haha pun) arguments, few thoughts/questions;

    • Why would they stop at let’s say Ukrainian border when in the last major war they had (this war is being also painted as existential against Nazis) they kept right on rolling, raping, looting and murdering across Europe until they met US/UK troops at the Elbe?
    • Why would anyone believe anything Russia, Putin and Russians claim with their track record?
    • Why stop when the economy is in war mode and needs to feed on its men? Stopping the war means the end of Putin for Putin now, he bet everything on an existential war
    • Why stop when he realises his gambles paid off, just like Hitler who kept on gambling that European countries are too chicken for war and kept appeasing him
    • In ww2 the more land Stalin conquered the more he could keep behind the iron curtain he erected as the other allies had no appetite to take on USSR after Hitler, and in many respects USSR was as brutal as the third Reich


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Pretty clear to everyone that Putin won't stop until he is stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No, because that is based on a hypothetical of stopping Western support for Ukraine and is focused on Russia's intentions moreso than their abilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    “Incite”

    yeh even their unintentional typos give an insight into the aims of Russian muck spreaders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    You cannot have it both ways…

    Stating Russia reaching Odessa is just as farcical as, Russia wont stop at the borders of Ukraine (stated by various high ranking military and politicians in the west.

    If western support stops then Ukraine is in deep trouble, we all can agree on that, but anyone with a functioning brain can do the math and would come to the conclusion that any landgrab beyond Ukraine going westwards cannot be obtained by using a conventional military strategy by Russia. Our leadership stating "Russia wont stop after taking Ukraine" is as farcical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Well this NY times article thinks so

    And so does Putin

    Starting a pointless war in which half a million Russians died and the largest country in world got slightly larger while becoming a bigger pariah than North Korea with incalculable damage to Russian society, culture, economy was also “farcical”

    Yet here we are, in third year of Putin’s Three Day war with human wave offensives (for square meters of mud at a time) under the Zwastika banner

    what are your thoughts on points made here?

    Your whole theory boils down to “Putin won’t be so stupid” a point that was made in first few hundred pages of this thread. Only for this theory to be shattered when Putin did start an unimaginably stupid war.

    That NATO might win a war with Russia might be little consolation to the millions living next to Russia who would die, be raped and looted before the cavalry arrives (if it arrives under El Presidente Trumpo) or even to us on the far end of Europe who would immediately feel the economic and refugee shockwaves.

    IMHO that leaders are ringing alarm bells and not being complacent about Putin and his perverted version of Russia is a good thing, many have scoffed at the alarm bells in early 2022 only to endup with borscht on their faces



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure I can, they are different scenarios.

    Russia won't stop at the borders of Ukraine if the West stops supporting Ukraine and their resistance eventually collapses.

    Western support hasn't stopped and thus the idea that "the only question is whether Russia reaches Odessa" is clearly absurd.

    Russia's whole invasion of Ukraine began by not using conventional military strategy. They are currently involved in all manner of non-conventional activities in Western countries. They literally have troops west of Ukraine in Moldova right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Without watching, I'd say he's talking through his hoop. Primarily because Brand is the interviewer. And he's away with the fairies and doesn't interview people who would be fundamentally opposed to his thoughts.

    Are there any indications that the Ukraine population want elections? Googling it shows no stories about Ukrainians wanting elections.

    Where is it reported that the American public are asking about the Ukrainian leadership? Why even would they care? Again, google showing no articles of the American public questioning the leadership in Ukraine.

    Zelenskyy (get his name right at least) is under constant threat of assassination, but still has the balls to be out and about through the country and the front lines of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    The war Putin started wasn't pointless if/when executed correctly, The tactical plan was decent but it went pear-shaped pretty quick for various reasons. I do believe in hindsight Putin would have never started this war knowing what the outcome would be. But he went in fully committed and he couldn't back out of it then without losing face. I don't have a theory as such so I don't know how this imaginary theory of mine could be shattered. In fact I always thought he was going to invade with the whole build up, western intelligence warning Ukraine. The one not buying it and not listening to the alarm bells was Zelensky.

    I just do the numbers game, and doing the numbers I can safely say that Russia doesn't even have the numbers to control Ukraine and containing any partisan activity within Ukraine.. let alone even attacking a NATO country.

    How in gods name do you think "millions living next to Russia who would die, be raped and looted before the cavalry arrives" ? Just give me a realistic scenario as to how such an event would unfold with NATO involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    What non conventional tactic was used to do a landgrab by Russia … That's the context I used.

    By using your logic their current GPS jamming is a prelude to invade a NATO country right ?

    I didn't say Russia would reach Odessa ..Its one of their goals yes

    If western aids stops do you think Russia can reach Odessa? … That scenario isn't absurd, just look how precarious the situation has become with a few months of US not giving anything. and the EU incapable of filling that gap



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Putin launches a nuke on a missile from Kaliningrad and takes out a city in Poland or Baltics and threaten anyone who intervenes with same treatment.

    Would it be stupid? Yes, has Putin a history of stupid gambles? Yes

    Does he care if millions of Russians die in potential retaliation? I doubt it, would anyone in Russia stop him? Unlikely

    He has already shown clearly he doesn’t care if Russia is destroyed, all he wants is his name in history books. And you know what billions across the “global south” and far left/right here would celebrate the “rules based world order” being shattered because they blame that for all their problems.

    Even if he doesn’t go down the nuclear route, a 100,000 conscripts can rampage for weeks through Eastern Europe before being eliminated, in that time the markets would panic and implode and people living there would also panic of course. Would Putin care if they die? Nope, will NATO cross the border in retaliation? Nope, precisely because they will fear a nuclear escalation.
    In short Putin can cause much damage with little personal repercussions to himself, which would be little consolation to those who be have to endure his crap, and this is why imho alarm bells are ringing.



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