What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

But if you take away the shock value - conservatives are shooting puppies now! - what has happened except that an animal was put down after it was getting dangerous? Which is unremarkable.

Then once a person realises that, it is just on debating surrounding details ('Why didn't Noem contact a reputable vet' etc.)

I mis-typed there because what I meant to convey is that I wouldn't consider it scandalous - even if Biden personally shot that dog. That is not actually as unusual as it sounds, as a dangerous animal can become suddenly difficult to control. If you can bring him to a vet in relative calm that is good but if you can't? It isn't pleasant obviously but there you go.

Oh I disagree that it's just a debate about 'proper procedure'.

The emotionalism of M McCain saying Noem had "murdered a puppy", Filipowski accusing "murder", photos of cute dogs etc.

Hysterical stuff. I would tell any of these people to their faces - Judge Pirro whoever that is - that they are fools and they are embarassing themselves.

Besides which alleviating suffering of animals is not the no. 1 priority when it comes to dealing with a dangerous animal. The no. 1 priority is safety of human people.

I've given my reasons why I think the controversy is overblown which you can accept or not.

'it is a safe bet you would not be defending a Democrat in similar circumstances'

You couldn't be more wrong.

Though I am by a long stretch more far critical of progressivism than the average person, I don't actually have a grudge against a foreign political party or a brief to defend their opponents.

Whereas many Irish progressives speak as if Biden was 'their guy', as if they have a connection to him and to the Democratic Party and were actual members of the Democratic Party themselves. No doubt they would vote for Biden in a heartbeat whereas I wouldn't vote for Trump if I somehow could.

What's more, the least reasonable 'voices' driving this controversy are conservative Republicans (from a faction of the Republican Party opposed to Trump).

This is entirely a fiction of your invention.

The animal was not a present danger when she shot it. The dog was not killed as it was about to attack. Your claims are entirely false and without foundation.

It was a failure of her to teach and control the puppy. There was ample opportunity to bring the dog to vet, follow proper course of action.

In the reasons for shooting the dog Noem listed that she never liked the dog!

Her action was guided by a petulant emotional childish reaction. The action of a fool who is now embarrassing herself on an international stage. The actions of someone who has never achieved emotional control and maturity.

You claim to be concerned about such things.

Thereby completelt discrediting your entire 'defence' of Noem as completely hypocritical.

The opening line of her explanation of killing the dog was that she hated it.

The dog was not a present danger and there is nothing to suggest that even in Noem's self serving account which we only have her word for. There was ample time for an adult considered reaction to the situation. But thats not what we got from Noem.

She failed to control the dog in the presence of neighbours animals.

There is a reason why vets follow a process when putting down an animal. Those are the unemotional trained adults. Why do you think they have such procedures?

No such response for Noem.

She hated.

"I hated that dog,”

Hate is an emotional reaction. It drove her response and conduct.

Werent you concerned above about such behaviour?

Proof positive your entire line of argument here is hypocritical and you are the one pandering to the childish emotional conduct of Noem.

simply amazing

In 2019 Donald Trump signed an animal cruelty criminalization law that passed Congress unanimoulsy. UNANIMOUSLY. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/724/all-actions

And now because someone with an R in front of their name has shot a few of her pet animals, we nonetheless see people crawl out of the woodworks to defend and handwring and minimize acts of animal cruelty.

I can’t say I’m surprised - I predicted it would happen last week - I’m just still disappointed to see people peeing on that electric fence.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

I don't agree and I've already given my explanation for what I think so we can leave it at that.

The last thing I would say though is that the fact that people from "all sides of politics" take a different view to me is neither here nor there. I'm not overawed by "consensus" as I've my own opinion.

As for US elections, I don't particularly care about that. Yes it is probably a PR blunder so I agree with your political analysis.

I think we can all agree that this is f*cking ridiculous and a mod is going to have to pick through the nonsense on this thread. Good work lads.

🤔 is he not receiving enough law and order?

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-decries-lack-of-law-and-order-in-new-york-hours-after-leaving-his-criminal-trial-in-new-york/

The one bright side is that Noem being a terrible human has caused other terrible humans to out themselves.

Another law firm leaves trump's orbit, I'd assume as they're not being paid

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/us/politics/trump-lawyers-delgado.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ok0.dQ0Z.Xpy2xfszQQ63&smid=url-share

My impression of many of those who support the more extreme / feral side of right-wing politics is that they are often more invested in their side being “correct” in any argument, regardless of how wrong they may be in a given topic.

“Noem shot a dog, therfore it’s ok.”: Is essentially what they’re saying. It’s nothing to do with the act itself, just that one of their side did it…therefore it’s ok. This is likely why we still have posters on here defending a confirmed rapist. If one of their side did it…it’s ok.

To sort of draw out this idea. Let’s say a MAGA politician (or especially Trump himself) got drunk one day and drove their car into a lake, and then instead admitting their error claimed that they just wanted to “wash their car”. You just know you’d have MAGA-leaning posters here defending their choice to drive a car into a lake. Declaring that “Lake-Driving” is by far the best way to wash a car, and that concerns about destroying the engine (or drowning) are just Woke hysterics. This demonstrably bad move would be declared “OK”, for the simple reason that someone on their side did it.

The Far-Right can never be wrong…..*especially* when they are.