Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Electric Picnic 2024 **No Ticket Sales / Requests** - Waiting in line, terrible time, over familiar

18283858788150

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Latitude has gone downhill over the past decade but I just took a quick look and there are plenty of acts there that’d keep us happy over the weekend. Orbital, Beak>, The Zombies, Khruangbin, Fat Dog, English Teacher, Lankum, Kevin Drew, Future Islands, CMAT, Pillow Queens, Duran Duran, Alison Goldfrapp and loads more. Possibly some of them to be added but it’s astonishing pushed that there’s zilch crossover with another FR festival. One that was set up to copy EP after Benn visited EP 2005.


    .

    Post edited by Seathrun66 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭BadTurtle


    USing albums sold for a pop star seems pretty disingenuous, no? 80mill is the figure for records total BMG provides.

    And comparing a cancelled headliner to their replacement is also disingenuous. Bowie was replaced by the Darkness at Oxegen. Would you go see the Darkness now? Think they last played Cyprus Avenue in Cork. Must mean Bowie would be playing those places too if he were still living, right?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,963 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The darkness would be a step up from most of those on the EP line up.

    They are great fun as a live band



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    That first Darkness album was fantastic, many wrote them off as a novelty act but they can really play and write a great song. They would have been a fantastic edition to EP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    Think all this unpleasantness has gone to people's heads. The lionisation of The Killers prime example. Dreadful stuff.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I’m not a killers fan but I saw them at EP and thought they did a great show and have a lot of big songs… though I was full of pills at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭dav09


    Latitude similar to EP but completely different at the same time, difficult to describe, EP is still miles better. I think Longitude started as a sister festival to Latitude before becoming sister festival to Wireless for a few years and now whatever it is. I would also probably trade the Latitude lineup with ours. Also find it strange Kasabian is tier 2 for us but a main headliner for Latitude.

    Post edited by dav09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    80m for the combined total of singles and albums. Albums always the measure, including for other pop stars like Madonna or MJ. Streams and ticket sales fast replacing those as the measure of popularity but historical measures of comparison will remain in album sales (Beatles, Zep, etc).


    A disingenuous comparison. Bowie had to be replaced at Oxegen with 11 days notice with nobody not on the lineup able to step in. Kylie pulled out of the world’s biggest festival with 5 weeks notice and dozens of acts clamouring to replace her. Not comparable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    No lionisation, just an awareness of their cost and pulling power. Another poster said that Noah Kahan & Kylie were equal bookings to Billie Eilish & The Killers. You don’t have to like them to realise that’s nonsense. And of the above only Billie appeals.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    I think a fair few people would view Kylie as a more significant booking that the Killers mate. Theyre totally different genres so its not like for like swap. The Killers have sold more than QOTSA but I reckon most people again would side with me that Queens a more significant booking for the festival.

    Agree fully on the Billie V Noah comp however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    We can't arbitrarily use streams to justify festival line ups. Its not going to work. We will look back in 20 years and ask what in the name of all thats good happened to us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    Half of those have either Irish festivals, headline shows announced or work with other promoters in ireland.
    orbital, beak> Khruangbin, Lankum, future islands, cmat and pillow queens have shows or festivals here in the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    Where are Beak playing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Latitude a smaller fest (45k) so the Kasabian slot not so surprising. Nice site but agreed that EP is far superior, as it is in most respects bar the lineup thus far.

    I only went once, their second year, when it was a relatively decent crowd, 30k capacity and a stunning lineup (see below).It was very family friendly which was great but since then it’s become VERY VERY middle-class with BBC4 broadcasting from there and Pimms stalks/double-decker buses doing very well across the site. It’s very safe, which is preferable to latter-day Oxegen but I think it lacks energy. I’d still go again as they book well, which begs the question why EP aren’t getting several of their acts. Siouxsie last year would have been a bit special in Stradbally. FR make their bookings more eclectic and varied and EP will survive. If not then it may struggle in 3/4 years, or we fall into recession and it may be gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭rubick


    Yes, where ARE Beak> playing?

    (Have a feeling it won't be ATN after last year)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Its a bold strategy to lower the amount of pills people would be taking: Book a bunch of sensitive white guys with acoustic guitars.

    Honestly feel sorry for most of the people that bought tickets already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    NewDad playing both EP & ATN so we could see Pillow Queens, CMAT also. Orbital played Galway Arts & ATN the same week, the latter unannounced so crossover not unusual. I’m fully aware they won’t be at EP but they were available as they only just stepped in last week at BTP to replace Soulwax. The main point was that FR could have booked these people.
    If no exclusivity then we could also see others but good points on other promoters and other shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    You are forgetting that as much as FR may want a certain act playing latitude to play EP it’s ultimately the decision of the agent/artist where they play and for numerous reasons they might decide to go with other offers for ireland. Many an international band have had a terrible EP experience and take up other offers instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭Thundercats Ho


    Apologies for the slight derail, but you can't compare Forest Fest with EP, even as a replacement for vintage gig goers like myself. ATN would be a much better option if you've given up on EP.

    We went to FF last year, had a great time, saw some great acts and drank some lovely IPAs, but at times there was a small voice inside my head saying 'this is a little bit **** isn't it'. In retrospect i realise this was just by comparison with larger more established festivals. My wife loved it as there were no teens pushing their way through and the ground was pretty level.

    As a few have said they do appear to curate the lineup, and i see Ballykilcavan brewery already have their Forest Fest brews bubbling away. I had said i wouldn't go again this year, but it might be hard to pass up the Wedding Present / The Cult, the Fleadh stage and more acts to be announced.

    By all means give it a go, and hopefully the weather will be kinder this year, but it's not amazing or anything..



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    It’s all subjective in terms of taste, but in terms of pulling power and cost Kylie is way behind The Killers on all measures of metrics. She’s never headlined a festival before (as far as I’m aware) and she’s unlikely to again. The Nevada crew can headline wherever they want whenever they want. And I’m no fan, just aware of their clout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Completely clear, and understandable. But if FR throw cash at said act they may try again. Signs indicate that splashing money on acts for EP ain’t their modus operandi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭rubick


    When The Cult were announced for FF I was half-tempted but I can't see it happening this year. Would be nice to experience it when it wasn't raining the whole time. Thought the camping facilities were a disaster, no segregation bewteen Security/Family/General was more than a little half-assed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    I wouldn’t have been surprised if orbital were always planned for BTP as late announcement after vicar st shows but soulwax dropping out made that announcement happen sooner.

    Orbital have worked with selective memory for years upon years so they always get first dibs on Leinster shows/festivals. Sure Selective memory was the one who booked orbital when they headlined EP in 2009. Loyalty is key element of the business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭Stillill42


    Beak, gentlemen, are playing Green Man, along with all the other acts you might want to hear at Stradbally.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I saw The Killers twice against my will. Glasto in 05 and the EP some time after. Both times they were brutal.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    Am I wrong in thinking there isnt a single act performing at both GM and EP? Not even one?!

    We're being taken for utter fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    After the disappointment of the announcement, I started the research.

    The Teskey Brothers are excellent IMO - very Otis like. Hopefully get a nice sunny chill slot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    In fairness to FR there’s never been any crossover with Green Man. Not a single act that I remember. On this thread the posters regularly brought this up, obviously no connection between promoters. A pity as we yearly miss out on great stuff.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    Sure but usually theres 2-3 weeks between the fests, no? For the two fests to be on same weekend and not have a single overlapping performer seems odd to me at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭dav09


    The Killers are sort of a near lowest common denominator act in terms of rock music, pop anthems, I have probably a few in that 'guilty pleasure' category of musicians but they're not one, the exact type of act EP have been booking the past 2 years. The Strokes aren't my cup of tea either but at least a good bit better, either way both of these bands will appeal to the masses. Give me the likes of Arctic Monkeys, RATM or Tame Impala any day. Or older bands like The Cure, Depeche Mode, New Order, etc.

    I really think we're in the years of the festivals demise, sad. It might sell out straight away again but unless drastic improvement that won't last. If I go this year 100% will be my last, I can't see the point in going through this every year hoping it gets better and it gets worse and worse, there was little there for me last year and even less this year. Will look at Primevera again, or Pukklepop, Glastonbury or even Sziget next year along with maybe ATN here, and B&S hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    different booking policies and from quick look majority of artists playing green man either work with other promoters here not FR or have other Irish summer shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Absolutely. There was a fair bit of crossover with EOTR but none so far this year. Promoters of GM may not get on with FR but those acts can be booked independently and there’s a hell of a lot of goodies. But I don’t know, am just guessing. Badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭rubick


    This year hinges upon whether there are decent undercard acts still to be announced, and the strength and depth of Salty Dog/Trenchtown/Jerry Fish. And frankly, if it's got to that situation, it's grim.

    Melvin Benn spunking the whole budget so he can meet Kylie and blame Calvin f*cking Harris for the date swap.

    Aye, dead on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭mgkelly


    Wow. That line up is eclectic, but lots I could enjoy. Much, much better than EP this year.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭dav09


    If the likes of Kodaline, Gerry Cinnamon and Calvin Harris are in the 250-500k category, imagine the acts they could have booked with that sort of money. Replace Harris with Chemical Bros/Prodigy. The other two with someone in the category of Liam Gallagher and one of The Cure, Depeche Mode, New Order, Pet Shop Boys etc. or even Fontaines. Would have completely changed the whole festival. I've seen all bar the Cure and all of them appeal to people young and old. You'd still have Kylie, Raye and Noah to keep the young tik tok trendy kids happy along with Tom Grennan, Teddy Swimms, etc. Two out of 5 of the worst acts I've ever seen out of probably thousands of acts are in the top two tiers (J hus and Calvin Harris, I've been more entertained by a fella playing the hoover haha, although seemed more of a joke), and I could imagine Noah, Gerry, Kodaline and Raye giving them a run for their money over who is worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    the chemical brothers are on touring hiatus for next few years. The prodigy played all around last year, bands need to take fallow years from playing ireland. And no offence to the Prodigy but Calvin Harris is a far bigger draw so it’s not a like for like swap.
    the cure and Depeche mode on hiatus and Depeche mode pretty much only do headline shows, they don’t play festivals (primavera being exception).
    new order and pet shop boys aren’t as a big a draw as muck like kodaline/Gerry cinnamon here in ireland. it’s a 75k festival, headline slots need to go to artists that are very very popular.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭whomadewho


    I had tickets last year but I sold them, but I been to EP 14 times with the first time being in 2007 and the best. Look at the quality of acts above. The organizers have sold their soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    They dont though. They've already sold the tickets. There's no way of knowing of course, but I would suspect EP would not have sold out as quick had the tickets been announced after this line up.

    People buy them early because A: FOMO. One of their favourite artists will play. B: They had a good time the previous year and are still on a buzz from the last festival.

    Nick Cave is touring, he would have been an excellent headliner and has played festivals previously. There's plenty of other artists that could have made this a great festival. What they went with really is just unenergetic, reflective gash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Agree but that is the folk who basically run ATN now and not present owners of EP. 2007 was a great year.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    FR painting themselves into a corner mate.

    I sense even from you a note of surprise at how things have panned out. From any fair minded viewer it is one of the weaker line ups internationally, and without question the lowest quality line up (so far at least) in fest's history.

    Incoherent booking policy now - Waterboys will have a tiny crowd - with a strong sense of listlessness coming through with the all over the map announcement. The reaction to which of course was 95% negative - including areas outside of this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭Stillill42


    While much of this is true, the reason I went straight for the ticket for next year for so many years was trust in the organisers. If you've been 3, 4, 5 times and they've pulled out a great, eclectic line up each time, that breeds trust and loyalty. I know there are some on here that will scoff at the importance of that in the face of the current army of feckless prepubescent party animals who will snap up tickets just for the vibes but that gives a festival long term foundations. You take away that, you're vulnerable.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m only going this year because it’s my best mates birthday that weekend. I don’t care about the lineup as much as others, but I was expecting there’d be at least 10 bands over the weekend I’d want to see. It’s tripe though.

    I live in The Netherlands, I’ll spend the winter convincing people to come here for festivals next year.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Mucker46


    Have always bought the ticket for nrmext year because I have enjoyed the previous year(s). For me it is all about the music, since 2012 have seen 2 comedians and nothing else non-musical. While I appreciate the vibe it would not be enough without the music and thought pre covid my time at EP was coming to an end but last year had great music across the different tiers and stages but so far this year that has not happened, may do but need decent mid tier to support the always great Jerry and Salty lineups, and that is not there for me so far. Will not be buying an early ticket for next year which saddens me as some great memories from EP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    Wonderful year - along with EP 2005 one of the best Irish festivals ive attended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    sure they have been for last decade since they over fully, doubling the capacity and not increasing main arena stages was always going to lead to them chasing generic popular mainstream artists.
    Was surprised that they didn’t get Lana as she is one who very popular, devoted young fan base and is a credible artist.

    quality of the line up has not been a major consideration since the POD era ended. Melvin on the radio last week was praising himself for best line up ever.
    Incoherent booking has been a thing in the last decade, some more noticeable to others when great artists play to empty tents.
    The online reaction can be overstating the dislike though, judging by how quickly the tickets are being snapped up on resale market. I think it’s finally detached from line up driven sales, it’s all about the experience and music is very very secondary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭dav09


    Most of them acts mentioned headlined the likes of Primevera and other major festivals over the past few years. Again I wasn't being specific on who's touring or what not just throwing names out there, in that sort of caliber. If you compared the caliber of acts at EP from everything from maybe 2017 up to 2022 you could compare them somewhat to a lot of the major festivals in Europe. No serious festival in Europe is booking the likes of Gerry Cinnamon, Kodaline, Noah Kahan in 2024 besides maybe R&L which of course is FR, and very few Calvin Harris either. Fontaines got a mental sized crowd at Primevera, I'd say much less than half at Calvin Harris, even a third of the size, his popularity is not like it was, he is awful live, meme worthy in fact.

    I know the term 'music snobs' get thrown around a lot, but I can't see how anyone who actually goes to more than one or two gigs a year can find any more than 5ish acts on this poster, some of which of those 5 can be seen once a year in your nearest town anyway.

    I agree as you said. 'I think it’s finally detached from line up driven sales, it’s all about the experience and music is very very secondary'

    If that's the case, can they not just give us a good lineup that people who actually enjoy music can like then instead?

    Post edited by dav09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Wooderson


    "music is very very secondary" - if this is indeed the case (and I doubt it, vast maj of people are going for the music) then the sooner the festival folds the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I think we had called this a few years ago. EP is just an "event" that people attend regardless of what's going on, similar to the Galway races or the ploughing. Now how long they can maintain this goodwill is another question. I am really intrigued at how the sales for '25 will go, just to see if indeed people do vote with their wallets or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    every country has local acts that are extremely popular and have no cultural impact outside their home country. Ireland has the likes of kodaline, picture this and uk acts can be popular here like gerry cinnamon who could be a mid card if even at rockwerchter. Similarly I’ve been at rockwerchter where a Belgium artist was sub headliner to RHCP and had absolutely insane audience but he probably couldn’t sell out whelans upstairs here.
    EP is the only festival Noah is headlining in europe and as per Melvin that was a “get”. I’m sure Noah kahan will be headlining a bunch of festivals in 2025 throughout Europe.
    MCD has in my opinion wrongly decided this summer to do more big headline shows for big acts, personally don’t think Liam Gallagher should have done Limerick and instead would have worked at EP.

    Music for the masses and causal listener is what EP, it’s not for devoted music fans.
    it’s not trying to be or ever could be the Irish primavera.
    primavera is a destination music festivals for music fans around europe to flock to and even that model is falling in last year or two.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement