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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,049 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You said that already a few times. Fake news doesnt get any more convincing when you put it on repeat.

    And the US Congress just cut the legs out of the other line of Russian propaganda you have been spinning.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "I can't see more money ending this thing"

    Russia is invading the country. The only thing stopping that from occurring are the Ukrainians. Ukrainians are running low on ammo. Money buys ammo. It buys arms.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    About time US. About fecking time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    When the invasion began on the 24th of February, 2022, the objectives of both sides were pretty clear. Clear not even from leaders' statements but just from the movements on the battlefield. Russia wanted the whole country, making a three pronged drive at it and a beeline for Kyiv, with the assumption that once that fell and the sitting government arrested and 'dealt with', anything holding out would capitulate or pretty quickly come to terms. Ukraine's objective was pretty much to stop this from happening.

    Now, the thing is that this remains pretty much Russia's objective because they could easily enough put a line under the 20 percent of Ukraine which they've captured and the land bridge to Crimea and call it a day, but they don't. The problem with that is that it doesn't really matter if Russia mine the whole of the territory they occupy (and given the way they wage war, this type of approach cannot be ruled out), that defensive posturing is not going to generate the forward movement required to capture any more large areas of territory, and Ukraine will have learned the lesson from last year's Summer offensive that ground offensives without air support just are not workable, so Ukraine will be busy building fortifications as well.

    The summation of this is that there is far more political imperative on Russia to attack, given what they want to do and their supposed numerical advantage, but since the front line settled in April/May of 2022, Russia have shown little to no ability in rapid advance, and in one whole year, their only two victories of any note have been Bakhmut and Avdiivka which they only managed to capture after months and months of bloody meat assault.

    The Ukrainian strategy until the end of this is likely to be to hold the line - attrit the Russians with technology rather than manpower - defend in depth - evacuate civilians close to the front - and counter punch with quick armour in areas where holes open up. Above all, bleed Russia until domestic political support for their war collapses.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    russia are feeding russian lives into the system and dying in astronomical numbers. The special operation has absolutely decimated their army, navy and airforce (despite Ukraine not having a navy and a very small airforce) leaving them reliant on other pariah states for support.

    Any inch they gained was paid for in numerous russian lives and you are cheering them on for more and more russian deaths.

    How do you think russia should start minimising the loss of russian lives?

    The Russians are just too strong, and they had far too much time to fortify these defensive lines.

    russia are defending now? What do they plan to use the territory they have mined and destroyed for? Will they settle people under artillary fire and F-16 glide bombs? Would you go and live in the Donbass?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭JimmyChew


    I suspect there are logistics teams all over the US and possibly the likes of Ramstein ect just chomping at the bit to do what they've been trained for, and to do what they do best. They'll crank up that machine to full pelt now and hopefully get what's needed into the hands of those lads over there. Those logistics teams are solders too and will move heaven and earth to support the good guys in this fight.

    I would also imagine there were massive sighs of relief and even some celebrations from mud holes up & down the front line!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Not sure if blatant trolling, Russian shill or pure ignorance, but.

    The Russian military isn't very impressive being rhetoric?

    Russia, since the foundation of Ukraine as an independent state, has spent almost 20x more than Ukraine per year on military.

    Only since 2014 did Ukraine start spending more but it was still a drop in the ocean compared to Russia.

    Few billion a year compared to 50-60bn for Russia, though let's not talk about the fact that half of the Russian figure was probably lost to corruption in Putin's mafia state.

    Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 should've been a rollover. Everyone expected it to be. Experts predicted Ukraine might last a few weeks.

    It should have been akin to the Gulf Wars.

    Instead Russia pulled the Winter War 2.0. **** logistics. **** leadership. **** command control. **** tactics.

    Imagine the USA invaded Mexico and two years later was bogged down a few hundred km into the country.

    The Russian military is ****. It's gutted by rot and corruption, same as the country itself under the banner of Putin.

    It's not a hard sell to anyone. The Russia armed forces are a massive joke. A massive joke that can still cause damage and destruction unfortunately, as any army can, but a joke nonetheless relative to what everyone thought they were capable of.

    That's how it goes in Putin's Russia. It's not a country it's a kingdom run like a crime family. The biggest laugh is that Putin himself presided over this dysfunctional mess and probably had no idea how bad the rot really was under his watch.

    He probably lies in bed at night staring at the ceiling wishing he had a time machine to go back to 2022.

    The fact two years after the invasion that Ukraine has held off Russia with a) it's own material and b) a drip-fed supply of US/EU's surplus/outdated weaponry says it all.

    Putin rolled the dice on Ukraine folding in a few days. Same way Hitler rolled the dice on the Soviet Union falling in a few months.

    The outcome may not have been clear at the time, but with hindsight we knew the game was over once that didn't happen, even if it took literal years for said outcome to come home to roost.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭denismc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ahhh the panic tonight smells like in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    For now. Fox News sometimes run things like this up the flag pole to test the direction of the wind but reverse course if they get blowback. I have read at least one story about Murdoch/Fox being ready to cut Trump loose, but then doing a 180. God forbid Newsmax be able to usurp that audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭eire4


    It will take a few more days. It now has to go to the senate and be passed there which I believe is set to happen on Tuesday and then it will be signed into law by Biden. So it won't happen today but just another few days before its officially passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    As I mentioned many lives were lost as a result of people playing politics.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ Veda Kind Yak


    Both sides are feeding lives into their respective war machines. Ukraine seem to be far more reliant on outside support than the Russians. (despite what we've been told about the standard of the Russian military - their weapons/equipment etc)

    Just out of interest, what do you estimate to be the total financial contribution from the west to Ukraine after this latest US aid package? I have seen various different figures thrown around.

    Where did I cheer on more Russian deaths? I have been suggesting that someone should broker peace, perhaps Trump if he gets elected, as Biden doesn't seem very interested in this avenue. By comparison, other posters here seem far more keen on seeing a continuation of the war.

    Why would the Russians not be defending? They have annexed these territories, brought them into the Russian federation, and are now defending them from attack like they might any other part of their nation. (as they see it of course)

    "How should Russia start minimising the loss of Russian lives?"

    Well, Putin did seem open to negotiations with Ukraine/the west in that Tucker Carlson interview. So, perhaps someone in Ukraine/the west should consider this path? There is the possibility, that the Russian view on the war might harden significantly in the future - as there are many hardliners within Russia calling for this. If things start to go downhill for Ukraine on the battlefield over the coming months, such an olive branch might disappear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    IMG_4789.jpeg

    hahahahahaha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, what form would that peace negotiation take?

    My .02:

    Ukraine and Russia cease hostilities.

    Russia withdraws from all territories in Ukraine occupied since 2014. Russia pays to repair and replace all infrastructure destroyed by them since 2014. Russia repatriates all children and citizens kidnapped by them to Russia, since 2014.

    Vladimir Putin, Sergey Lavrov, Simonoyan and others turned over to the ICC for prosecution for war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Saw on Sky news earlier someone said that this US package should be enough to keep Ukraine fighting but will not be enough to really challenge and defeat Russia. Also, that this package will just lead to more Ukrainian towns and cities being ground to dust.

    Thing are looking pretty bleak if that opinion is anywhere near accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    So some talking head on sky news is directly hooked into the Russian firehose of scutter?

    I was curious what the official Russian propaganda response will be as they all gone have quiet like the time Wagner marched on Moscow and the whole apparatus shat itself

    And the response so far directly from Peskov is “nothing to worry about”

    Weak, very weak, might take them a while to formulate a response

    The smartest thing Russians could have done is about a year ago to stop pushing and freeze the conflict so US and Europe loses interest in Ukraine, but no the eejits just can’t help themselves commit war crime after atrocities and keep directly threatening other countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Altough your mentioned point 1 and 2 could be realistic, unfortunately point 3 is unlikely to happen. Cant recall it ever happening before either. Baltic States still have list of OMON butchers on their wanted list and all lawful requests to Russia since arly 1990ties to hand them over for prosecution have been turned down. Some of them live cosy lives and hailed as heroes.

    So no, unfortunately Plytkin, loshad Lavrov, Simonyan, Skabeyeva, Solovyov and thousands of others will be a job for Ukrainian special unit similar to Mossad to hunt these down individually and hang on nearest lampost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,566 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You're absolutely misrepresenting what Putin said in the Carlson interview. His idea of peace amounts to telling the EU and US to stop supporting Ukraine and allowing Russia to complete the invasion. Also, to point out, you've failed to address the fact that Russia is actively committing genocide in Ukraine.

    "When asked by Carlson about the possibility of peace in Ukraine, Putin said: “If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons,” referring to Western aid to Kyiv. “It will be over within a few weeks. That's it,” he added."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-tucker-carlson-ukraine-war-elon-musk/#:~:text=When%20asked%20by%20Carlson%20about,That's%20it%2C%E2%80%9D%20he%20added.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Where Vladimir Putin is concerned, there's only one thing you can be sure of and that's even iF there was a peace deal hammered out, it would only last as long as it suited Putin. And then, back to battle again. He's done this time and time again. There are no circumstances under which he or his mafia can ever be trusted. Except of course by defeating him so badly that he cannot ever go to war again. Then maybe a modicum of trust might be OK, but even then, I wouldn't trust him 100%

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Both sides".

    This isn't a mutual war, this isn't some squabble over territory. It's a war of choice for Russia. Ukraine has no choice. Russia is feeding lives out of choice, Ukraine is having to sacrifice out of necessity.

    Russia has a much more significant and larger domestic military and production base. Which is largely untouched. This has been explained to you pretty clearly. You're ignoring it to repeat the same "I don't get it" points which is getting tiring.

    "Someone should broker peace", "Putin did seem open to negotiations with Ukraine/the west in that Tucker Carlson interview."

    Putin can end the war at any time by simply turning around. He bombs Ukraine 24/7 out of choice and has never suggested genuine peace.

    Not following the thread so much anymore, but it's obvious your posts are a faux "confused" about the war act whilst gargling pro-Putin talking points.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I was curious what the official Russian propaganda response will be as they all gone have quiet like the time Wagner marched on Moscow and the whole apparatus shat itself

    And the response so far directly from Peskov is “nothing to worry about”

    Weak, very weak, might take them a while to formulate a response

    Silence and/or a noncommittal Nothing to worry about is like you note the usual Kremlin response when things don't go their way and they're rewriting the script. I suspect after they work on said script they'll push even more of the "peace talks" angle, with more of the "look at how much it's costing Ordinary Americans™. Not directly at first, but through their spin machine. See above; our newest user is ahead of the game.

    Note too the usual Russian amnesia about previous talking points. EG there's been barely any talk of late of the recent ISIS Moscow terrorist attack/let's pin it on the Ukrainian nazis. Currently gone the way of biolabs, weaponised birds, Germans in German tanks, NATO soldiers, dirty bombs, gas attacks and the coup that never was, so never mind.

    The smartest thing Russians could have done is about a year ago to stop pushing and freeze the conflict so US and Europe loses interest in Ukraine, but no the eejits just can’t help themselves commit war crime after atrocities and keep directly threatening other countries

    I would say it's more that Putin kicked this off with no real plan beyond going all in. When their initial it'll be over in weeks plan fell on its arse he doubled down on that. He doesn't appear to have any climb down plan in mind. To do so would admit defeat, even if they spin it as a victory. As they will whatever happens and a goodly chunk of their acolytes will be happy to believe it enough to spread it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 299 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    Hopefully the routing on russia and its dissolution happens in the near future and these beasts are indeed made pay for their crimes against humanity.

    I would like very much, after they have been rousted out of Crimea and with Ukraine on the road to moscow, for a conference to be held in Yalta, where russia's mapped-out future is openly negotiated and agreed upon. This would naturally include the publication of an endlessly-long list of wanted war criminals being instructed to hand themselves over to the ICC or face being hunted down as you have mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "such an olive branch"

    The Ukrainian armed forces had to deal with 6 cruise missiles, hundreds of moskovyte soldiers and huge numbers of other lethal weapons being used to attack their country yesterday. You have a bizarre idea on what the symbolic olive branch should look like.

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    Meanwhile reports of more bad news for putin's naval forces in occupied Crimea.

    https://kyivindependent.com/explosion-in-sevastopol-russian-ship-reportedly-on-fire-and-crimea-bridge-closed/

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Jesus Christ.

    This word “annexed” as in illegally invading another country is bounced around by Putins lapdogs as if it somehow has some legal definition.


    Please tell me what peace deal Ukraine should look for and what Russia is looking for?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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