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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • #21032
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033159#Comment_122033159

    Apart from colouring or if there was a large size difference such as with a Jersey, I'm not sure what issues would be with a 3 way cross that there wouldn't be with a pure bred, apart from notional. Most traits are universal and varied across dairy cattle. A pure bred can take after any particular ancestor just as easy as a cross bred.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #21033
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122035300#Comment_122035300

    Apart from maybe one bull EGE, no such issues here, and they're all very good cows, functional and long lasting. Plenty udders here are off high ebi fr. What NR bulls were they off?

    I find NZ Fr very prone to mastitis and SCC, probably due to their free milking and milk loss in cubicles. Calf quality is poor too, understandably.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #21034
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122035300#Comment_122035300

    They weren’t ‘milky’…bad feet, poor mobility etc.



  • #21035
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122036974#Comment_122036974

    3 way outcross, on paper, would indicate a lack of a genetic line or purity. Therefore you could get the worst of all 3 breeds.
    If he had gone back into Hol or Monty he’d have doubled down on those breeds.



  • #21036
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,066 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122033159#Comment_122033159

    The purpose of a three way cross is to keep hybrid vigor within the breeding. If your breed is 50/50 and you breed back with one of the orginall breed you lose hybrid vigor. To keep it you have to use a third breed.

    To keep hybrid vigor you are trying to keep any one breed used as near to or below 50% if possible.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • #21037
    Gillespy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Talk of lightweight clusters got me thinking this morning, perfectly teated heifers you have to hold the cluster on for a little while to get a hold. It's something I always thought was normal. Machine tested fine and has new liners fitted. Delaval clusters that were high spec at the time and a big upgrade on what they replaced. I remember being warned it could be an issue changing at the time but it was seamless. Cow udder and milking speed is a lot better now I think a slightly bigger capacity and lighter cluster would be better. Afraid to ask how much though.



  • #21038
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,262 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Have the light weight pearson clusters here. I think once a cluster has fallen off in the 5 months we've been using them. Used to have a pain in my shoulder from old parlour. That's gone



  • #21039
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,262 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    WAs talking to our driver here. Yes theyare expected to knock off cooler and put on wash. He said it only takes a second



  • #21040
    ginger22
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037020#Comment_122037020

    AFAIK the Nowegian Red is a mongrel of a number of breeds so wouldnt be a great choice for a 3rd cross. Can be very variable. We have 2 of them off Holstein/Brown Swiss cross. One looks like a red British Fresian the other is red with tiger stripes. Good hardy cows, small and butty, but trouble free.



  • #21041
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037071#Comment_122037071

    My Guy took the old shells and didn't charge for them. Only thing is the new triangle liners are expensive. Lot lighter which helps when I'm milking 99% of the time



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  • #21042
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,066 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037289#Comment_122037289

    At some stage all pedigrees were cross breeds. However when a breed is developed and you makebit pedigree you breed from within a limited genetic pool.

    So while NR may be a mongrel breed tgey are breed now from within the breed mainly, that why you introduce a third breed to maintain hybrid vigor

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #21043
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037071#Comment_122037071

    Glad it's not just me anyway. I have standard heavy delaval clusters here. Is that what you have? The milk line itself is heavy too. Once I hang up the milk line with a kick bar they work away fine.



  • #21044
    Gillespy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037628#Comment_122037628

    Not sure the exact spec bowl wise, I know it was a big jump on the previous setup. Shell is likely the standard all stainless ones. Your problem sound worse than here.



  • #21045
    daiymann 5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122036984#Comment_122036984

    They are off a number of bulls zbr sitje roen velsvik to be honest ive only about 15 but out of them all theres only one with a correct udder.Id agree with u on nz friesian and mastitis just thought they cud add milk and mobility to bf reduce cow size and speed up milking would i be better just using pure bf



  • #21046
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037289#Comment_122037289

    I’ve a HolxNR with a little bit of the tiger stripes also.
    When you’ve got a good one from that cross, they’re excellent. Medium to small in size, strong and butty, with excellent feet and mobility. They respond well to feed also.
    When they’re bad however…they’re bad.



  • #21047
    daiymann 5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122038281#Comment_122038281

    What did u find wrong with the bad ones



  • #21048
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122038394#Comment_122038394

    They wouldn’t color the tae!



  • #21049
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122038634#Comment_122038634

    I haven't heard that expression in a long time. Last time I heard it was as a child and my Grandad talking about two goats in milk that he bought at the local fair. He said one was milky and the other wouldn't colour the tae.

    Edit to add - my eldest brother had severe eczema and asthma. A GP recommended that he drank goats milk.

    Post edited by Base price on


  • #21050
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,262 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    A pedigree Angus breeder sold a heifer to someone. When she calved down the heifer had no milk. The buyer went back to the seller, their reply was if she had it she would give it...



  • #21051
    White Clover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122039369#Comment_122039369

    How long between the sale and she calving? Poor management before calving would have a lot to do with no milk.



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  • #21052
    older by the day
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭older by the day


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122037329#Comment_122037329

    A question for ye. Do ye buy your milking machine parts from your repair man, or co,op.

    My guy fires off oil at 90euro a drum and is mad dear with parts. But is very good to call out.

    Anyone try these

    https://www.eurofarm.ie/products/diaphragm-for-d-c-m-milk-pump-063mp209000



  • #21053
    daiymann 5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040038#Comment_122040038

    His oil and parts are genuine original and higher quality.I know they have a huge mark up but the way i look at it it keeps them profitable and provideing the service the same as tb testing keeps my vet in buisness.Id definetly buy high quality oil if nothing else



  • #21054
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040038#Comment_122040038

    I've used them years ago before the electric pumps used all types never much trouble from them



  • #21055
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040038#Comment_122040038

    I buy the oil in the coop but nearly everything else comes off the service guy. He’s an independent guy, just services and fits parlours/scrapers. Extremely important to keep him going and have someone nearby

    He serviced my 20 unit parlour in January and it got all new silicone milk tubes and new rubber every where and it came in just under 2k for the parts and labour /service. Very good value in my book



  • #21056
    Kerry2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Kerry2021


    For those of you who may be interested - remember how at the last Kerry Co Op AGM it came down from the top table that the head honcho would be coming back in the fall of that year (2023) with a deal for the dairy business? Well that obviously didn’t happen. The next I heard was that it was pushed back to the 2024 AGM, now I’ve heard they’ll have nothing to offer at the 2024 AGM and it’s pushed back to before Xmas of 2024.

    With all due respect they’re the biggest bunch of bluffers you’d ever meet in your life. This whole JV deal has been 6 months away for the last 5 years. It’s gonna be a rubbish deal anyway but at least just give shareholders the chance to vote it down and have it over and done with

    Some people are predicting the Kerry Group share price to come down to €65, some are saying €40 - meanwhile the price of everything has doubled and the CEO of the group saw his bonuses triple for 2023. Seeing the share price crashing and bonuses tripling all it makes me think of is the famous Shakespeare quote “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” and oh yeah don’t forget the milk price being paid for the last 5 years has been the absolute pits.

    Remember all the noise the Kerry Co Op board made about “winning” the arbitration case? We the farmers didn’t see much out of that win. The co-op’s legal team made millions out of it though.



  • #21057
    RockOrBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭RockOrBog


    IMG_20240419_130029.jpg

    BBX heifer 8 weeks old, lump on the belly. sound besides eating and drinking well



  • #21058
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042135#Comment_122042135

    Looks like she got an infected navel which has ruptured. Wash it with warm salty water for a few days and keep an eye that it doesn't get hard.



  • #21059
    mickey1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭mickey1985


    How much are maiden heifers making?Fella I buy some off is selling before breeding this year but iv no idea what they are making



  • #21060
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042273#Comment_122042273

    750-850 if their good well breed stock, lisduffs maiden heifers where struggling to pass 850 at their sale a last friday



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  • #21061
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭visatorro


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042340#Comment_122042340

    Also depends on how stuck the seller is. Its a buyers market atm



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