Apart from colouring or if there was a large size difference such as with a Jersey, I'm not sure what issues would be with a 3 way cross that there wouldn't be with a pure bred, apart from notional. Most traits are universal and varied across dairy cattle. A pure bred can take after any particular ancestor just as easy as a cross bred.
Apart from maybe one bull EGE, no such issues here, and they're all very good cows, functional and long lasting. Plenty udders here are off high ebi fr. What NR bulls were they off?
I find NZ Fr very prone to mastitis and SCC, probably due to their free milking and milk loss in cubicles. Calf quality is poor too, understandably.
They weren’t ‘milky’…bad feet, poor mobility etc.
3 way outcross, on paper, would indicate a lack of a genetic line or purity. Therefore you could get the worst of all 3 breeds. If he had gone back into Hol or Monty he’d have doubled down on those breeds.
The purpose of a three way cross is to keep hybrid vigor within the breeding. If your breed is 50/50 and you breed back with one of the orginall breed you lose hybrid vigor. To keep it you have to use a third breed.
To keep hybrid vigor you are trying to keep any one breed used as near to or below 50% if possible.
Talk of lightweight clusters got me thinking this morning, perfectly teated heifers you have to hold the cluster on for a little while to get a hold. It's something I always thought was normal. Machine tested fine and has new liners fitted. Delaval clusters that were high spec at the time and a big upgrade on what they replaced. I remember being warned it could be an issue changing at the time but it was seamless. Cow udder and milking speed is a lot better now I think a slightly bigger capacity and lighter cluster would be better. Afraid to ask how much though.
Have the light weight pearson clusters here. I think once a cluster has fallen off in the 5 months we've been using them. Used to have a pain in my shoulder from old parlour. That's gone
WAs talking to our driver here. Yes theyare expected to knock off cooler and put on wash. He said it only takes a second
AFAIK the Nowegian Red is a mongrel of a number of breeds so wouldnt be a great choice for a 3rd cross. Can be very variable. We have 2 of them off Holstein/Brown Swiss cross. One looks like a red British Fresian the other is red with tiger stripes. Good hardy cows, small and butty, but trouble free.
My Guy took the old shells and didn't charge for them. Only thing is the new triangle liners are expensive. Lot lighter which helps when I'm milking 99% of the time
At some stage all pedigrees were cross breeds. However when a breed is developed and you makebit pedigree you breed from within a limited genetic pool.
So while NR may be a mongrel breed tgey are breed now from within the breed mainly, that why you introduce a third breed to maintain hybrid vigor
Glad it's not just me anyway. I have standard heavy delaval clusters here. Is that what you have? The milk line itself is heavy too. Once I hang up the milk line with a kick bar they work away fine.
Not sure the exact spec bowl wise, I know it was a big jump on the previous setup. Shell is likely the standard all stainless ones. Your problem sound worse than here.
They are off a number of bulls zbr sitje roen velsvik to be honest ive only about 15 but out of them all theres only one with a correct udder.Id agree with u on nz friesian and mastitis just thought they cud add milk and mobility to bf reduce cow size and speed up milking would i be better just using pure bf
I’ve a HolxNR with a little bit of the tiger stripes also. When you’ve got a good one from that cross, they’re excellent. Medium to small in size, strong and butty, with excellent feet and mobility. They respond well to feed also. When they’re bad however…they’re bad.
What did u find wrong with the bad ones
They wouldn’t color the tae!
I haven't heard that expression in a long time. Last time I heard it was as a child and my Grandad talking about two goats in milk that he bought at the local fair. He said one was milky and the other wouldn't colour the tae.
Edit to add - my eldest brother had severe eczema and asthma. A GP recommended that he drank goats milk.
A pedigree Angus breeder sold a heifer to someone. When she calved down the heifer had no milk. The buyer went back to the seller, their reply was if she had it she would give it...
How long between the sale and she calving? Poor management before calving would have a lot to do with no milk.
A question for ye. Do ye buy your milking machine parts from your repair man, or co,op.
My guy fires off oil at 90euro a drum and is mad dear with parts. But is very good to call out.
Anyone try these
https://www.eurofarm.ie/products/diaphragm-for-d-c-m-milk-pump-063mp209000
His oil and parts are genuine original and higher quality.I know they have a huge mark up but the way i look at it it keeps them profitable and provideing the service the same as tb testing keeps my vet in buisness.Id definetly buy high quality oil if nothing else
I've used them years ago before the electric pumps used all types never much trouble from them
I buy the oil in the coop but nearly everything else comes off the service guy. He’s an independent guy, just services and fits parlours/scrapers. Extremely important to keep him going and have someone nearby
He serviced my 20 unit parlour in January and it got all new silicone milk tubes and new rubber every where and it came in just under 2k for the parts and labour /service. Very good value in my book
For those of you who may be interested - remember how at the last Kerry Co Op AGM it came down from the top table that the head honcho would be coming back in the fall of that year (2023) with a deal for the dairy business? Well that obviously didn’t happen. The next I heard was that it was pushed back to the 2024 AGM, now I’ve heard they’ll have nothing to offer at the 2024 AGM and it’s pushed back to before Xmas of 2024. With all due respect they’re the biggest bunch of bluffers you’d ever meet in your life. This whole JV deal has been 6 months away for the last 5 years. It’s gonna be a rubbish deal anyway but at least just give shareholders the chance to vote it down and have it over and done with
Some people are predicting the Kerry Group share price to come down to €65, some are saying €40 - meanwhile the price of everything has doubled and the CEO of the group saw his bonuses triple for 2023. Seeing the share price crashing and bonuses tripling all it makes me think of is the famous Shakespeare quote “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” and oh yeah don’t forget the milk price being paid for the last 5 years has been the absolute pits. Remember all the noise the Kerry Co Op board made about “winning” the arbitration case? We the farmers didn’t see much out of that win. The co-op’s legal team made millions out of it though.
BBX heifer 8 weeks old, lump on the belly. sound besides eating and drinking well
Looks like she got an infected navel which has ruptured. Wash it with warm salty water for a few days and keep an eye that it doesn't get hard.
How much are maiden heifers making?Fella I buy some off is selling before breeding this year but iv no idea what they are making
750-850 if their good well breed stock, lisduffs maiden heifers where struggling to pass 850 at their sale a last friday
Also depends on how stuck the seller is. Its a buyers market atm
