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Vance on CNN - Ukraine is not an ally and doesnt deserve being funded. Tomorrow the money for Israel only should be put tru congress, Israel is way more important to US than Ukraine is

Johnson already tried this before (bringing an Israel standalone) and the democrats didn't give in. Most realized it for what it was. A political move in order to make the other side look bad. Rather than a genuine attempt to get anything done. So I doubt he'll try that trick again.

I think the most plausible scenario is one of the below:

1. Johnson will bring a Ukraine bill to the floor that has one too many poison pills in it so that he knows the dems or the senate won't pass it quickly if at all. At which point he can throw his hands up and say he tried and blame Biden and the dems.
2. Johnson will deflect and evade until he sends congress on another 2 week vacation end of next week. Then forevermore deflect, evade, dodge and stall.
3. Johnson brings the current Senate passed bill to the floor and asks the Dems to protect him from a motion to vacate. Several democrats have openly said they'd protect him on the condition of a clean up or down vote on the Senate foreign aid bill.

Take your pick of any of these. I've ordered them in the likeliness they are to happen in my mind.

The other scenarios outside Johnson to get the bill to the floor:

• The discharge petition: https://clerk.house.gov/DischargePetition/2024031209?CongressNum=118 . Is currently sitting at 195 signatures and climbing gradually. It needs 218. The republicans probably aren't going to sign it until they know it'll hit 218. So we know at least that there's less than 23 republicans willing to sign it currently. Some probably aren't signing it because they hate Israel. And some more are probably waiting to see if Johnson actually brings a bill to the floor himself.
• Only 2 more moderate republicans quitting Congress early would give democrats the majority in the house and pass the speakership to Hakeem Jeffries. At which point the bill will hit the floor in short order. The moderate republicans are constantly making noise about MAGA republicans openly spouting russian propaganda and being chaotic. And they're getting fed up of it. So this could easily happen.

Anyways. That's just what's in my head.

To say that Ukraine has been abandoned by the US is pretty cynical and without nuance because the most pivotal event which has stymied US aid to Ukraine hasn't really been trouble with Israel, rather it's been the Republican party retaking the US House of Representatives, making it considerably more difficult to pass bills which get aid to the country. It's also to ignore that US defence contractors are still working with Ukraine, that US ex-military personnel are still volunteering to fight in Ukraine and that US intelligence is still working with Ukraine.

It would be more accurate to say that the Republican party of the United States are working against Ukraine.

@briany Adjusted my post to include some of what you said

BUT the US political system is as it is because the citizens seem to leave it that way and do not push for adequate change? They are also polarised and divided. So surely the US population also to shoulder some blame in this? In a democracy they are the only people with the power to change surely?

What it has proven is the US political system is broken completely and in need of a complete overhaul. Proof in the pudding of this is Trump has shown up its big flaws via gaming the current broken system successfully. To me anyway here we have Trump in Maralago being president without being in office with visits from House speaker over weekend to get orders from the boss. He is running the show via controlling the US House of Representatives which seems to be all that any party needs to do going forward ( one of the many broken things )?

Have things advanced even with Rubio and Vances utterances on CNN earlier to the contrary ( Israel only, not Ukraine ). Ill believe it when I see it, another false dawn of many most likely

Speaker Mike Johnson said the House will vote this week on aid for Israel in the wake of Iran’s attack, and he indicated Ukraine funds could be part of the package

They've delivered nothing of the sort. They delivered end of life, army surplus which would have cost millions if not billions to decommission and priced it out as if it was new and fools around the world, especially at home have fallen for these fantasy figures.

I could be wrong then based on this new info. I still seriously doubt the democrats will allow a standalone Israel aid bill through while a bill that includes Israel + Ukraine + Taiwan aid sits there. There's just too many democrats that hate Israel now and many more who won't allow Israel to go forward without Ukraine and Taiwan.

That'd be my hope anyway. Israel don't need that money at all, let alone above and before Ukraine.

This is totally incoherent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/gop-house-intel-chair-says-he-expects-ukraine-aid-to-pass-this-week-208953925966

Small clip there. He doesn't mention whether or not it's the senate bill. And I don't know if he's been talking to Mike Johnson since the whole Iran-Israel drone strike/embassy event.

But some hope at least?

Apparently US 'garbage' was enough to stop the Russian invasion in its tracks eg anti tank weapons.

What does that say about Russia military capabilities that garbage can do so much damage to it eg Bradleys, HIMARs etc

Russian propaganda backfiring again.

The problem for Johnson is that the Republicans have this crazy system in place where anyone can basically get them ousted (by filing a motion to vacate the Speaker's chair) and MTG doesn't want to help Ukraine

She retweeted this in response to a New York post story saying that Johnsons wants to help both Ukraine and Israel:

America is sick and insane

Have they? The totals here including military and financial support are a good bit less than the figures in the previous linked article for the US.

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992