yeah, if 60b would suffice then what would 100b do, we are argueing over zilch, i am off to bed
But for 100 million, the war would be over in a month though? That's what you claim?
it would be kinda quite over there, the us is argueing over a measly 60b at the moment
So 10% of 1 billion…. 100mil and the Ukraine war would be over in a month?
That's definitely within a gofundme goal!
last nights action over the middle east cost 1billion
what a strange statement
Care to list what exactly Israel got?
Ignoring the short range ammo (that's another debate) but 20x Himars is plenty. Ukraine only need about 8 to cover the entire front line at once.
ukraine recieved a measly 20 himars, with short range ammo
If Marjorie Traitor Greene is getting antsy about the Ukraine bill then perhaps there is something good coming? You know what they say, a hit dog will holler.
MTG has already filed the motion to vacate Johnson after he settled funding the government with the democrats. Clearly in an effort to dissuade him from voting on Ukraine. However most people believe she won't go ahead with it.
And even some MAGA Republicans have said they won't vote to vacate the seat again. The republicans want to be re-elected after all. And there's only so many times they can force the speaker out for another multi week round of voting again. They also have less of a majority now than they did before, even a few Republican defections during the vote for a new speaker would lock the house up completely. They don't want their own voters to see them as a do-nothing band of chaotic children.
Equally as I said before. If the democrats see Johnson is going to bring a vote for the Senate bill then they'd be foolish not to help him. And several, including the leader Jeffries has said he'd be open to protecting Johnson.
But stranger things have happened recently so we'll see i guess.
Have they? The totals here including military and financial support are a good bit less than the figures in the previous linked article for the US.
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
yet germany seems to have given more
America is sick and insane
if the coalition which is backing israel gave ukraine 10% of what their are spending in israel, the ukraine war would be over in one month
The problem for Johnson is that the Republicans have this crazy system in place where anyone can basically get them ousted (by filing a motion to vacate the Speaker's chair) and MTG doesn't want to help Ukraine
She retweeted this in response to a New York post story saying that Johnsons wants to help both Ukraine and Israel:
Meanwhile .. objections ..
Apparently US 'garbage' was enough to stop the Russian invasion in its tracks eg anti tank weapons.
What does that say about Russia military capabilities that garbage can do so much damage to it eg Bradleys, HIMARs etc
Russian propaganda backfiring again.
Yes the arms manufacturers are benefiting (of course they are when arms need to be produced) but to say that the US sent them "garbage" is pure revisionism.
To pick just one example, HIMARs allowed the targeting of munition piles and bridges which greatly aided in the taking back of Kherson in 2022.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/gop-house-intel-chair-says-he-expects-ukraine-aid-to-pass-this-week-208953925966
Small clip there. He doesn't mention whether or not it's the senate bill. And I don't know if he's been talking to Mike Johnson since the whole Iran-Israel drone strike/embassy event.
But some hope at least?
And we've heard it all before.
This is totally incoherent.
Gives me flashbacks to Tony Blair addressing the Afghans. His words "we won't abandon you again", in that smarmy voice of his.
It could be that he examines all sides of an issue rather than just one.
I agree with you. The US has "earmarked" hundreds of billions for Ukraine. 70% of that never even got there. It went into the pockets of Raytheon and Northrop-Grumman shareholders. The US essentially sent them garbage.
I could be wrong then based on this new info. I still seriously doubt the democrats will allow a standalone Israel aid bill through while a bill that includes Israel + Ukraine + Taiwan aid sits there. There's just too many democrats that hate Israel now and many more who won't allow Israel to go forward without Ukraine and Taiwan.
That'd be my hope anyway. Israel don't need that money at all, let alone above and before Ukraine.
How is a polarised and divided electorate suppose to push for changes to any system when it's their polarisation and division which prevents them from doing so?
The first thing that needs an overhaul is that very division, and if that division could be solved, then their bicameral system would probably work just about as well as any other bicameral system in the world.
The tail is wagging the dog for the Republican party because about 16 years ago they helped create a little movement called the Tea Party which was designed to wreck the progressive vision which Obama had, but it ended up snowballing into a monster much stronger than they could control. That Tea Party base was taken over by Trump not via the party apparatus as had been the case with previous candidates, but by social media and a brand he'd built up for 30 years prior to his 2016 run. That's why he's calling the shots from Mar a Lago.
There is no short term solution to this problem which has been almost 20 years in the making, but there is a short term salve in the sense of enough Americans seeing sense in November to tip the balance back to the Democrats and let them get the aid flowing back to Ukraine.
They've delivered nothing of the sort. They delivered end of life, army surplus which would have cost millions if not billions to decommission and priced it out as if it was new and fools around the world, especially at home have fallen for these fantasy figures.
Well you suspect wrong. It was a war they should never have been involved in but their disdain of communism and their need to keep the Soviets in check saw them enter the war. The same with Vietnam where the North Vietnamese became communists of convience as it was the opposite of what the US was. Ho chi min had no communist leanings before the war. He just leveraged it to gain support.
I listed a number of other forays on there but you chose to ignore them as you knew there was no defence of those actions. American foreign policy has been an aabsolute shítshow. It is now again in Ukraine and it will be in the upcoming Israel Iran conflict. Netanyahu attacked the Iranian consulate knowing it would illicit a response so he could keep his war going and stay in power.
Have things advanced even with Rubio and Vances utterances on CNN earlier to the contrary ( Israel only, not Ukraine ). Ill believe it when I see it, another false dawn of many most likely
Speaker Mike Johnson said the House will vote this week on aid for Israel in the wake of Iran’s attack, and he indicated Ukraine funds could be part of the package
@Field east This is specifically from the MAGA wing of the GOP / Republicans via interviews on CNN ( SOTU show ) earlier. Both Republicans J.D. Vance ( who wrote article on Ukraine in todays NY Times ) & Marco Rubio said ( first time I heard this ) that they would bring the aid part for Israel to congress tomorrow, monday with no conditions attached and THEY would pass it, implying its up to the Dems to do same now if that were to happen.
They both separated UKRAINE and Taiwan from Israel putting the border condition on both Ukraine and Taiwan but not on Israel. They also said pretty much Ukraine should be tossed to the wolves, Ukraine is not a US ally and in order of importance is bottom of pile.
Both Rubio and Vance were on air on CNN doing there bosses bidding
I thought that the whole bill was all in or nothing gets funded ? If they are suggesting that they fund Israel seperately well why then did Congress do that from the beginning ie circa nov-dec last?
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