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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Hes far from the difference between the teams with all we the times we have shot ourselves in both feet but Adamson is such a bad ref always makes a mess of games



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭testtech05


    De butlear must have been injured was he Heffernan back on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Well Adamson deserved the language, he is a c**t and Aki is just being honest.

    Also Connacht handling has been atrocious today, how do you plan to score tries if you drop the ball every 2 seconds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Adamson is an awful referee. Bundee concedes a penalty for language and a Benetton backrow swore like a sailor in the first half but got not even a warning.

    That said Connacht's woeful handling, weak defense at the breakdown and all in all sloppiness is 100% what cost us, not the officials. We're in for an awful few years with these coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Just like I said pre match, one team is refereed by the book and the other isnt…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Jesus Christ how did he knock that ball on. The players just havent been concentrating from the beginning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    This coaching ticket have big question marks over them.....

    Not just wilkins....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    Semi final would have been nice but a totally undeserved gloss on a shite season tbf. Couple of refereeing decisions were poor but we're way off. Handling and middle of the field defending the obvious ones but anything good in attack is entirely built off individual quality and I don't see any discernible scheme or plan. So frustrating because in all honesty the talent available isn't far off what we had in 2016, just awfully awfull coached imo.

    I mean 70 points conceded against Fukking Pau and Treviso and not a lesson learned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    Adamson has been a poor ref for a long time but Connacht have played enough games under his whistle to know how to manage him. Get on his bad side and he will ref you to death and we did today.

    Devine and Jennings should both be in the starting 15, Devine provides noticeably quicker ball than blade and Jennings always seems to find a soft shoulder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Three of those Treviso tries were due to unacceptable lapses by Connacht. We need accountability, instead we will be give bromides. Close games lost at the death, capitulations, and amateur errors - this has been the story of this season. Enough of the plucky little under-resourced province attitude, somebody should lose their job.

    There were positives to be had from today: Jennings and Devine. Our back line looked a lot better at the end than it did at the beginning, selections have been so poor all year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    People paid nearly 500 euro to just to travel over on a chartered flight for that woeful showing. Farrell, Aki, Jennings and Devine at least gave it a go in the second half.



  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭ShineyShiney


    I wasn't expecting to win this game based on our season so far but I was hopeful that last week's game could be a catalyst for improvement. Sadly not to be. I believe that this coaching team is no longer viable as a collective entity. I've no idea who needs to go but collectively they are bankrupt.

    I'd heard comments about bundi, Bealham and Mack making a difference but to be honest you could select South Africa en masse and put them in a Connacht jersey now and they would be cack.

    When good players play shite rugby consistently then look at the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,470 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Might have been a tight enough match had Connacht not decided to gift Benetton a couple of free tries early on. Were always chasing the game after that.

    Not sure this coaching ticket would survive in any of the other provinces but not sure anyone in the IRFU are overly bothered because it’s only Connacht.

    Presuming they are kept on they really need to show something next season or they’ll struggle to sell season tickets in the new stadium.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Week in and week out it's the same. Week in and week out it's the same players that disappoint. So the question is why do we select these players that disappoint week in and week out. Dave's lineout has been an issue for years. So why does he keep getting selected. Hawkshaw needed to replaced by Farrell and shouldn't even be on the team sheet. Forde should have started at 10 and I would prefer never to see Jack or JJ within our 23. Instead stupid replacements. Thankfully Devine replaced Blade. An obvious move. Other than that they haven't a clue. This management is a complete joke.



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568


    Would like to see Farrell start at fullback next week. Played well when he came on



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Is that you Wilkins? Why not? You have tried everything else. OR HAVE YOU?



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568


    he came on at fullback today and played well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I wouldn't hold out much hope for IRFU guidance. Humphreys is new to the job and probably still settling in. Ulster have problems as serious as ours, although they're ahead of us in terms of installing a new management. Still, I'd imagine that the northerners have priority on his attention, in terms of contribution to irish squads they are underperforming us despite a bigger budget and player base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Based on the season as a whole, I believe the best player to lead us as captain is Cian Prendergast. He's young but his consistency and commitment should be an example to the team as a whole.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Or maybe you are Wilkins and thought he came on at fullback. Tom went to the wing while Jennings covered full back. Sorry Wilkins. It was clear you had another plan that backfired. Can't wait for the next plan



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    Cians a young player. Let’s just enjoy his development without giving him the added pressure of the captaincy



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Overall there is nothing new to be seen here. Same complaints every time. If your coach can't see it then where are we at?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really today was inevitable. Like everyone i hoped against hope for a result but it was never a contest once Treviso got up and running.

    We made their job easy for them. Hopefully they do well against Gloucester. They'll certainly be competitive but they're another average team we made look like world beaters.

    I still hope we make the top 8 but it's unlikely and even if we scrape through it's hard to be any way enthused for the direction the province is going in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    RTE had zero coverage of the Connacht game today...no updates, no final report....nothing....even now, hours after the result....when ulster had their arses handed to them yesterday, they had a final report up on the app straight away....

    Im not sure if this is a reflection of how bad RTE or Connacht are....

    Both probably….

    Edit...a report has finally gone up about 6 hours after the full time whistle...copy and paste job...

    Post edited by StevenToast on

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    As fans it isn't really difficult to see the issues. As a player, the person who does this 7*24, it must look criminal to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Of all times to tell Elisa to chill out this is probably the worst time for it. Elisa was one of the first posters in fairness to call out Blade's inefficiencies and you can clearly see his confidence is completely non-existent. There's no snipes or breaks from the ruck these days. That says it all to me really, a capped international having a sudden drop in form after 4 or 5 seasons of excellent showings.

    People are paying big money for season tickets and matchday tickets. This isn't the days of two men and a dog watching honest but limited lads like Darren Yapp. They're well paid professionals with well renumerated coaching staff that should be delivering significantly better value for money than what they've delivered in 2024 so far. They get a ridiculous free ride from the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭kita99


    looking this match, it was too hot for Connacht player. That's all. Never mind. Devine's tempo was very good. I think he will fit for actual fight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Urgh, have immediate buyers remorse after renewing my season ticket there.

    Feel bad giving money that goes towards some of the dross that currently play for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭BrokenMan


    Surprised there are still Main Terrace tickets available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    I'm not.

    I was very close to not renewing.

    The team are playing poorly, atmosphere has been poor at most games I attended this season. Value for money isn't there right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be upset if any of the following didnt play for us again

    Heffernan

    Blade

    Carty

    Hawkshaw

    O'Halloran

    Boyle

    Porch

    Burke

    Janssen



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Those are all good players, and with the exception of O'Halloran, are all still in their theoretical prime. If multiple players are out of form, in my opinion you have to look at the coaching team. Hawkshaw doesn't pick himself at 13, a position he has (AFAIK) never played before this season. He has performed well when picked in his preferred position. Blade is out of form but he is not a bad player - Andy Farrell doesn't cap bad players. In my opinion there is top to bottom confusion with our attacking system which leads to him arriving to rucks not knowing which way to play, I don't recall seeing that from him prior to this season. The moaning to referees, simulation, hand waving etc. are all within his control though, and I would like to see some improvement from him in in those respects. Again, he didn't pick himself as captain, a role he is not suited to whatsoever (at least in terms of managing the ref).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    There's a slight nuance in what I said.

    I'd said I wouldn't be upset if they didnt play for Connacht again.

    Heff is so unreliable. How many 5m line-outs has he messed up in the past few years. Would rather De Buitlear and Tierney Martin be given the opportunities

    Blade is so wasteful. We have conceded an awful amount of penalties at rucks, when the ball has been available. His try record papers over so many of his cracks.

    We have better players than Hawkshaw

    O'Halloran is so very slow these days. Offers very little

    Boyle, when available, is decent, but he is rarely available

    Porch - we have lots of options for the back three

    Jannsen, I think we have better option for the back row



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The renewal email came through this morning and I ignored it. I've been going to Connacht games for over 25 years and a season ticket holder for the guts of 20 but I'm fed up of the way the organisation is being run and if that means I have to jump off the train for 2 years so be it. I'm sure with limited availability others will be happy to snap up the spot and good luck to them.

    I'm fine with supporting a rubbish team. I've seen us take some awful beatings over the years but for the first time ever I'm apathetic to this whole setup now.

    When the new stadium is here and we hopefully have a new CEO and coaching team I'll be delighted to come back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    That's kind of how I feel too.

    Previously, when we were rubbish, it was easy to understand why.

    Now Connacht have become an extraordinarily frustrating team to watch and support.

    I get no excitement when going to games right now

    Previously, even when we were bad, it seemed to mean something to the players, and was easier for the crowd to get behind them.

    Now, they players dont seem to have that same level of enthusiasm.

    We're really lacking, a proper captain. Someone the players want to follow, and who leads by example.

    Carty is not that man, and Blade definitely isn't

    When did we last see the players reacting to something, and geeing up the crowd?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    it as mentioned yesterday during the match but prendergast is the only player who plays like a captain. I’d say give it to him, so what if he’s young



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    Great post. The confusion in attack, especially yesterday, was shocking to see. Lads literally running into each other, balls being passed to thin air because the person who was meant to be there didn't get the memo etc etc.

    Agree with everything you've said about Blade, but the items you've listed in the "under his control" category have all been going on for ages, so either he isn't aware of them, or he's not doing enough to address them. I also share Cucumbers' frustration with his tendency to labour things at a ruck that was won, and turn it into a turnover for the other team.

    Cucumbers point about the captaincy also resonates with me - we were blessed with Muldoon as captain, because he lead by example, and everyone rowed in behind him. It was also clear to the fans how much it meant to him personally. Him being born and bred in the province obviously helped too. I think Prendergast is outstanding, and leads by example more than anyone in the squad, but I do think it would be a risk to give him all that extra responsibility/pressure at such a young age.

    Frustrating times (but I didn't hesitate for a second to renew this morning - I love going to watch the games live, not least because it's the only chance I get to see the group of lads I go with in person……………still, it would be nice if we won more)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    I think Conor Oliver would do decent as a captain as well, but he's not a certainty to start

    Need a plan for getting Hugh Gavin, Cathal Forde, and Matthew Devine more regular game time next season



  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭ShineyShiney


    I give all players a pass until the coaching set up has been fixed. How can Iyou hold a player accountable for the outcomes when he's following the coaches instructions.

    Playing backwards ball in our 22 against a physically superior team is nonsensical and is the instruction they are being given. It's been the strategy all season.

    I see porch mentioned above, why ? He hasn't been picked all year, how does he come into it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Playing those extra phases in our 22 after receiving a kickoff drives me mad. Benetton clearly knew what to expect, Brex made a read and shut it down in midfield and we were lucky to not get turned over. The only other team I can recall doing the same with such regularity was Kieran Crowley's shambles of an Italy team.

    Two moments really stood out to me yesterday. The first, we were doing our usual lateral running and flat passing off first phase, nobody committed a Benetton defender so they just drifted until Jennings (I think) threw a pass to no-one, which they kicked in behind to score. The second was the 5 metre tap where nobody knew who was tapping the ball, Blade just stepped in and chucked it to Bundee for the score.

    Perhaps it's a Mike Catt type situation where Sexton has a genius vision for the attack but just needs time, but it's very hard to see right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 797 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I am with you… I think we have enough good players (if this coach can keep them)

    I very scared of the coaching at this stage.

    Example: Blade is a scrum half, scrum halves rarely are made captains (in GB & I) because they usually have enough responsibility and chirp to the ref all game. Blade's game has suffered taking on so much responsibility especially without Jack on the field.

    BTW, Jack is the opposite. Being Captain brought him on and made him take more control and increased his confidence…

    Tom Farrell is our only actual No. 13 in the squad and he is bloody good to boot. There is no way Hawshaw is ahead of him for a 13 jersey.

    This was our year to see if Forde could be a possible 10 going forward. It doesn't look like we are getting anything from the IFRU and Ulster are nailing themselves for any 10 coming available. If we want to try this we will need Tom Farrell to help cover the centre positions, it is crazy to be expecting Hugh Gavin to be URC quality straight out of the gate especially in such a demanding position...

    In fairness, the forwards have not been the source of problems since the Lions and where our source of scores on the weekend..

    Devine looks good too… There is so much to like in his game, his speed to the base is very high but he also seems to have that Marmion type of controlling the pace of the game, speeding up when they have a break or stressing the opposition.

    Jennings is the reason we won't miss Killgallen…

    Thought Boyle had a fine game considering how long he was out for and that disallowed try was dubious.. Rarely sen in other games.

    Finally, someone teach Bundee how to swear in Irish… He sould be only allowed to swear in Irish at training..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Dont agree on the Jennings comment. Jennings has been pinpointed (with Cordero) as the fullback replacement to TOH.

    That aside the season is over for us. So give Bundee the rest of the year off. Put Gavin in to replace him. Put Tom Farrell in at 13. Put Jennings at fullback. Put Forde at outhalf. Put Devine at scrum half.

    And this is how I would like to see it. We need to see if Jennings can cover fullback. There have been many failed experiments there to date. TOH is indeed slower these days, as you would expect, but he is always in the right place which is more important than speed.

    Anyway all that aside and for all my best plans, what realhorrorshow says is the reality. It doesn't matter what players you put where if everything is total confusion from a coaching perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    That sounds good to me, plus Mack and Smith on the wings. Think Hawkshaw is still an option at 12, otherwise he's a Swiss army knife 23. In the pack I'd like to see Niall Murray start with one of Darragh/Joyce, the other on the bench.

    But I don't think our season is over yet. The congestion mid-table is such that there could be a lot of surprises, could see us in 9th position after the weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Timers are put into the game to provide consistency on actions and behaviours during the game. So to a degree it takes the actions of the referee out of the game. So let's continue down this line. I do remember in particular the Sharks game in Galway. When it was a Sharks throw they were into that lineout with no messing. When it was a Connacht lineout it was torture to get them into the lineout. So we put a one minute timer on a lineout. And then we have a timer from the point a referee says 'use it' at the back of a maul. Next we have a timer for when a player is held up off the ground before the a scrum to the opposition is called.

    So do you begin to see the problem. Players are playing the clock rather than rugby but the game is played in a consistent manner for both teams by the referee (in these circumstances).

    So let's continue down this line. So we have a scrum which many commentators suggest is pure dark arts and the decision of the referee is final. In 50% of cases it's clear and obvious. So what happens to the other 50%.

    Well to solve the issue scrums are removed from the game.

    Next we have the maul. Now the call that Paul Boyle didn't join the maul correctly was a travesty yesterday. So we need to remove the maul from the game so there can be no confusion

    And then we have the ruck. Now this a real bugbear of mine. You have hefty guys going in at speed at players who are pinned on the ground. Now that's clearly an unsafe situation so players should not be allowed join the ruck once the ruck is formed. It clearly is impossible for the referee to manage this situation.

    And while I write this as a form of wittism, the point I am making is that officiating such a game in a fair manner is nigh on impossible even if you wanted to be fair.

    I did appreciate the comments about Mike Adamson before the game this weekend relating to the fact he is so bad he will be fair to both teams. As compared to Frank Murphy who has the latitude to do as he wishes. And he is one bitter gobshite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




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  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭Number 137


    Is this a serious post? Because every sentence of it is rambling nonsense.



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