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Mass stabbing event in Sydney - **Read OP before posting**

  • 13-04-2024 9:31am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭TokTik


    https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/apr/13/australia-news-live-major-police-incident-in-sydney-after-reports-of-multiple-stabbings


    Seems someone went crazy and started stabbing random people in Bondi Junction. I think the world needs a lot tougher knife laws. We constantly see stabbing deaths in U.K. too.

    Anyone caught with a knife should do at least a year, 12 months in prison. No reason given Stop and search should also be an option to Gardai/police forces to get a handle on this. A knife is a deadly weapon.

    Mod warnings

    If posters wish to speculate with the intention of trolling then fire ahead - you will be threadbanned

    Let the relevant authorities determine intent rather than speculate here

    Back on topic, which is the tragic stabbing and murder of a number of people in Sydney. Leave it to the authorities to determine any underlying issues that may have contributed to the actions of the murderer

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    StevenToast

    satguy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    The videos are frightening. I've been to Westfield loads of times as have friends there.

    A young baby is involved and in a bad way.

    I see a lone woman police officer shot him as he went for her with the knife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Fair play to the individual with a table(?) who intervened at the escalator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Same, heard a report from the guys who helped out with the 9 month old. They said the baby seemed to be ok, but the mother was touch and go. Did a bit of work in the Westfield years ago when I was living down the road from it.

    Something this random could happen in any shopping centre anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    An image of the perpetrator



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I agree but how do we police it? Cops able to randomly stop and search people who are walking down the street? That won't and shouldn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Thanks, that would make sense.

    Fairly scary looking knife that he was armed with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I’d rather be stopped and patted down than stabbed. No reason why it shouldn’t happen. And defined terms with no leeway for anyone caught with a blade, unless a chef etc on way to or from work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭Be right back


    https://x.com/Nimra__1/status/1779086896343155127



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,504 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Can you not see that random searches would not stop an incident like this, so why are you bleating on about it?

    A man grabs a knife and heads to his local shops for a murder spree, do you think he is worried about getting done for possessing a knife?

    What exactly are the odds that he even gets stopped for a random search in the 2 minutes between picking up the knife in his kitchen and getting to the shops?

    Whatever about knife laws stopping gang incidents involving knives, they would have no effect on spree killers whatsoever.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    This man will never have to buy his own round again. Respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Another 2 brave men.

    Sadly the mother of the baby has died.

    https://x.com/ForsigeNews/status/1779087506144706622



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Not sure it needs the term "brand ambassador of masculinity", lots of brave people there at the scene including the police officer (gun or no gun)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    That female police officer has balls of granite, fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭satguy


    The same, thing over and over.

    Yet every day the West lets boat loads of young fighting age Muslim men into our cities and towns.

    They live beside some very rich Muslim countries,, Yet they wont go there,, they jump on small boats and risk all to get to the West.

    Why ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Has it been confirmed that the attacker was Muslim then?

    But on your wider question. It's part of the religion. Just as how Catholicism spread throughout the world (for better or worse - generally worse), this is history repeating itself.

    Plus we in the West have made it very easy with noisy left-wing liberal types wailing about our obligations, and supposed privilege and guilt. While the West tears itself apart in culture wars, identity politics and virtue, the rest of the world moves on, and there will always be those who will take advantage of and exploit such foolishness.

    The problems arise when the cultures and expectations clash, but we're bringing it on ourselves and it's only going to get worse I believe. We're actually regressing as a society in many respects which would seem contradictory to a lot of progress on issues but is true nonetheless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    The attacker may or may not be Muslim but either way it doesn't achieve anything by taking shots at Muslims in general, you can oppose the incoherent and unworkable immigration policy we currently have without smearing a group of people

    I don't believe in not reporting the ethnicity of the attacker but some of the commentary can be both crass and mindless

    I don't believe that some cultures are a particularly good fit for western countries but I wouldn't see them as inherently more prone to violence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,738 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    We do have legislation regarding knives and offensive weapons, gardai can stop and search anyone, but obviously they must suspect they have a weapon, under section 16.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1990/act/12/enacted/en/print.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    police don’t believe this is a terrorist attack but don’t know the motive

    Sky News just now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    An attack on people in a Jewish neighbourhood by a member of a religion where hatred of Jews is hardwired into the belief system? Obviously we're racists for even thinking it.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,784 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I've no idea whether this stabbing was related to Islam, but on a point of information, the question of whether Islam is more inherently violent than Christianity is probably to be found in the lives and teachings of both their founders. Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was not.

    I know Christianity is far from blameless in how it spread in practice, but it is not inherently warlike. Islam is.

    Even in in terms of rules for one's personal life, Islam is far more violent: the closest equivalent Hadith to the New Testament story about the woman caught in the act of adultery tells how Muhammed, in his infinite kindness and wisdom, first allowed her to give birth and then breast feed her baby (born as a result of the adultery) and only after the baby was weaned did he order her to be stoned to death. There's no "Let he who is without sin…" in Islam, never mind "Go and sin no more".

    And Muhammed is "the perfect man" in Islam - a model for all. So the difference is that there is very little peaceful "counterbalance" available for more peaceful Muslims to call on in opposition to the more violent ones.

    (And to be clear, I'm NOT saying that all Muslims are violent. I know most aren't. I'm making a different point.)

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Sydney police confirming this isn't terror related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Have they given a reason for why it's not terror related?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Miracle we haven't had one of these in a main thoroughfare yet. I know Dundalk had one 5 years ago but not a busy area.

    Have we undercover on say Grafton st + o connell st by any chance, anyone know? Saw a video of a fight outside Dr quirkys n 15 minutes later no cops, didn't inspire me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Just wondering how they can rule out a terrorist attack so quickly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭robertpatterson


    Has it been reported that the killer lived local?

    Stop and search worked in the uk , when they stopped doing it knife crime rose

    They should have stop and search, i have nothing to hide it takes two minutes and if I know myself and my loved ones are safer I'm all for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Augme


    Most people would consider Parnell Street a main thoroughfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Neondakid


    How about all having an option for self defence instead of making everyone a sitting duck and hoping nobody goes nuts. There is a reason these attacks don’t end up with so many casualties where “good” or just sane people have something on them to eliminate the threat.


    Also consider a crazy person can grab a kitchen knife and slash away even if you pose a death penalty on the possession they won’t care. There is no law or police who can protect someone from violence only the person facing the attacker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭dmakc


    We literally had this in Dublin less than 6 months ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    40 years old and known to police.

    Targeted the woman and baby first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,784 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I gather the other alternative is that the attack wasn't random, ie that the man knew the woman who died and maybe some of the others who were stabbed as well.

    People going bonkers about whether or not it's fair to ask if he's Muslim, but we rarely see people pointing out that we don't even have to ask whether it's a man, because nearly 100% of the time it is. And very often trying to kill a woman.

    Is it anti man to point that out?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,784 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Five of the six victims were women, and one was a baby.

    If this was a man targeting woman, are we not allowed to call that terror related too? Or does it not matter as much when women are the targets?

    (This is not about you, BTW, but about the police being so quick to dismiss it as "not terror". Seems pretty damn terrifying to me if someone hates women that much - and it's not as though it would be the first time.)

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    All these threads are so depressingly similar. Some bore will arrive in and ask about Muslims and then away it goes. Not an ounce of thought for the victims. Just more fuel for the outrage engine. Must be a depressing life tbh.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Saying now he was in the mall at 3pm, went off and came back at 3.20 with the knife and targeted the woman and baby, so definitely looking into that it might not just have been totally random.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    would have loved to see more of the video where the guy at the top of the escalator was stopping him, I’d say knife man knew there was no way he was getting up there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Muslims were first brought up by a poster asking when they would be mentioned.

    Everyone else was asking about the victims. Your ire needs to be focused where it rightly belongs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Nearly every single time it's a man. Probably 99% but you could be right with 100%. It doesn't matter what colour, religion, sexual orientation, they could be black, they could be white, they could be christian, they could be muslim, it doesn't matter, it's always men. Before anyone says it, I'm not saying all men are potential mass murderers, I'm saying that all mass murderers are highly likely to be men. What can be done about it? I don't have a clue. Because it's so widespread, finding a solution seems impossible. How do these men turn into murdering scumbags? How do we stop them from growing into murdering scumbags?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Burden of proof. If they have no evidence that it's terror related, they're not going to say it is, particularly given the panic that could cause in the local area. If they have sufficient proof to suggest it's terror related, then they'll say it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,823 ✭✭✭yagan


    It is funny that people try to make about Muslim basking after centuries of Christian genocidal empires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Confirming it isn't terror related is very different than saying it is not known at this time if it's terror related.

    Completely ruling it out means they surely know the motive, but then why not say what the motive is?

    Considering it seems targeted against women, and particularly one woman with a baby, it's quite possibly "honour" related.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 weesmurf33


    WIth regards to stop and search. Having lived in the holy land, simply checking people before they enter shopping malls or bars and restaurants I found works well. Certainly a good deteraint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,132 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Knife laws are irrelevant, they are already tough. People with a mind to criminality don't care about the law. The person was known to the police, so maybe do more on the enforcement and incarceration side of things. Most of the similar incidents in France that did involve muslims, the perpetrators were known to the Gendarme.

    I would rather not be patted down, there is every reason why police should not have this power. Typical knee-jerk response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Men and women are just different. Most violent attacks will be by men. Most unarmed bystanders who try to intervene to take on the attacker will also be men.

    Stopping the violent attackers becoming that way will be next to impossible, there may be little signs up to the first attack. Allowing and encouraging other men to intervene would actually be a more successful strategy. A lot of men feel they can't intervene especially with lower level violent attacks. Even the Guards here are afraid to intervene in such events like lately when we saw them running away from rioters in Dublin. Throughout many Western countries violent individuals are treated as victims and those who intervene sometimes are treated as criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,132 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The police have said he is known to them and have ruled out isms as a motivating factor. That would suggest this is a case of insufficient mental health resources, AKA secure mental hospitals, and that the perpetrator is a nut job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Next to impossible in a shopping centre with multiple exits and entrances. The very nature of a shopping centre means you have thousands of people walking/driving in and out with bags you can't stop and search everybody. A person determined to cause damage would just go somewhere else to commit an offence anyway. Heck you could just go into a shop inside the centre and buy a knife after you've been searched if you wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Augme


    All we know for a fact is that this is yet another case of a man murdering women. Again it raises the question if anything can be done to stop the threat posed by men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Shrug our shoulders? That's your solution? Some men will be violent and there's nothing we can do about it. You made a note about unarmed bystanders. The person who put an end to this attack was an armed woman. Would that not be more of a solution? If violent attacks are carried out by men 99% of the time, should we arm women to police them? All we hear is that women should be careful where they go, when they go there, who they go with, what they wear, what they drink and so on and on and on. So instead of your suggestion of encouraging other men to intervene, we arm women and encourage them to intervene.



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