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Deposit return scheme (recycling)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And that should have been considered when rolling it out. What incentives were given to the retailers to get this rolled out? It is actually in the interests of the retailer to not get involved or have the machines working as that involves them giving back the money they took on deposits. Why would they bother getting involved?

    From Lidls POV, what is the point of paying staff in their shop to spend time fixing these issues? None. Just ignore it and have staff concentrate on the Lidl business.

    The lack of management of, what are really pretty obvious potential issues, is staggering. Not having Apple pay or the like for an immediate refund is beyond crazy. Introducing a system to reduce waste with printed receipts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They get 2.2 cents I think per item redeemed in their RVM… so if it is a retailer taking in a lot of items, there is that benefit.

    But that would require the staff, setup etc to keep the machines operational which seems like more hassle for them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭jj880


    Sure we're over half way through the trial period. You'd think these obvious problems would be getting the required attention before all deposit loaded stock is on shelves by June 1st. The fact this is not happening shows anyone who actually wants to know what the focus of this scheme is. Here's a clue: its not the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The RVM machines I used before, about 10 years ago, had no screen. Just a couple of red and green lights. Also, no barcode reading. The only error I saw was the red flashing light indicating it is full.

    As Ive said before, any time we introduce something new in this country we go with the over engineered version. We know its going to be decades before we introduce anything else so we have to go for the one with all the bells and whistles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    It hasn’t got anything to do with the staff in Aldi or Lidl though nor should it.
    I have always found the staff in them shops absolutely brilliant. They are most helpful and they work flat out all day. They haven’t the time to be sh1te hawking around with a Mickey Mouse of a machine that’s not their responsibility.
    from start to finish this whole saga is a pure farce.
    half baked and a quarter executed.It should be scrapped and go back to putting clean recycling in the fcukin recycling bin at home instead of being held to financial ransom and having to traipse around the country trying to return waste in order to get your own money back and all that it entails.
    It would fcukin sicken you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I have been involved in the designing and building of resilient systems in the past. Most people use such systems all the time. Very few ever have a warning on the screen saying "Out of order / Contact a member of staff". If something is not working, it simply switches off, resets all the moving parts to its default position, and then starts up again.

    I could build an RVM out of lego that was more resilient than the ones they have decided to go with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I agree they are nice people for the most part but their employers business model doesn't seem to allow for sorting out faulty machines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What is the point of the barcode scanning? Within a few months the vast majority of any cans/bottles will have been purchased with a deposit so the barcode is redundant is it not?

    And why the need to be kept in shape? Surely a return is a return?

    This seems massively over engineered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Possibly due to the border with NI.

    The shape thing is so the barcode can be read



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The shape thing is not really much of a problem except it seems on some small bottles; or maybe there's wildly finicking machines.

    I've put through some very mangled cans - some I crushed and had to bend back cause I remembered they had deposits - and they were fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    my car has started to smell like a brewery. 5 attempts at returning cans and 5 times I’ve had to put the bag back in the boot.

    What will it be like in the height of summer when the wasps are swarming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    The barcode is the main proof to the machine that the can/bottle is in the scope of the scheme. For high volume lines like coke cans there will be separate barcodes for ROI and NI stock. If you didnt have the barcodes the scope for fraud would be major.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Barcodes are needed because the till reads the barcode and knows what to charge then the RVM reads the same barcode and knows what to return

    If you didn't have barcodes you'd have to charge a deposit and return it by the weight of the material and that then gets very complicated with the only real benefit of being able to crush the products



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Was in Lidl today with a bag full of recycling. Machine stopped working after a few bottles so moved to other one, same thing happened.

    Coincidentally, there was a staff member in the vicinity. He was extremely gruff when I told him. He told me, tersely, to "read the instructions". It was at that stage I noticed a printed out A4 page stuck on the front of the machine. These instructions were supplementary to the other instructions printed on the actual machine!

    Anyways these additional instructions tell you to take the tops off all bottles. Surprised that this was necessary. So this means that I now have to recycle the tops separately?? I guess the machines can't compact them with the lids on.

    TLDR: Lidl staff not very happy to deal with you about machines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    And then the clowns running the system tell you that you can leave the tops on and actually encourage it...

    "You can return your empty, undamaged plastic bottle with or without the lid. We recommend returning bottles with caps, because this will ensure that the cap is recycled, too. Also, if the bottle cap is still on, it is easier to preserve the shape of the bottle."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭jj880


    We're getting mixed messages about bottle caps putting shyite RVMs out of order. Meanwhile in Australia:

    We could have created a similar scheme instead of a money grabbing shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,956 ✭✭✭✭Mimikyu


    I read recently there is a new EU law coming in that requires the lids to be attached to the bottles, and I’ve noticed Coke have already implemented this. Seems odd the Lidl machines can’t cope with lids if this is going to be standard.

    I have to say I find the scheme a pain. I haven’t had any problems with the machines in my local Aldi being out of order yet, but I’ve gone from having a small crate in my utility room to collect glass jars to bring to the bottle bank and putting all other recycling material in my green bin to being barely able to move with cans and plastic bottles now added to the mix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭fabsoul


    I was great at recycling for the last 15 years plus in blue bins and black bins. Now I don't give a dam about any of it. Because of this new bull **** I'm paying twice now. And it doesn't suit me at the moment. To bring back bottles I will burn them now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Lidl are the ones making stuff up here. You leave the tops on, indeed the tops aren't meant to be removable from any bottles across the EU within a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    The shop assistants at my local village shop said the same thing about caps yesterday. There is a small machine there and it’s not been in a month yet and has been out of action for most of that time. They’re fed up having to talk about it already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭bigroad


    So the shops get 2.2 cent per item and they have to have the machine on site.and I suppose they have to pay for the electricity for them too.

    Then someone has to empty them and who brings to the waste depot.

    This half arsed scheme is causing a lot more pollution and generally wasting peoples time and money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,558 ✭✭✭Tow


    There is no way shops will ever breakeven let alone make money on this scheme.

    Cost of initial POS system update and ongoing licence/support fee.

    Cost of Machine, installation and Maintenance.

    Cost of Electricity.

    Cost of manpower.

    Loss from of reduced shelf space.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bog master


    We can't have a scheme like that because the quango must be paid. How? By deposits being charged but not being redeemed. A system set up to supposedly to increase recycling rates relies on people not recycling to fund itself!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Were the retailer's forced to sign up to this .and whats the reason for not taking dog/cat food tins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes. And because there isn't a particular problem with food tins being dumped on the side of the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    If you don't take the payout receipt in time, the machine snaps it back. You then have to get a member of staff to get the key to open up the machine and find the bit of paper



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I don't think the non removable caps will be a problem as they remain attached to the bottle but not screwed onto it. It seems that the Lidl machine issue is when the bottle top is screwed onto the bottle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Seems they're deleting posts on social media again, guessing they arent getting the warm fuzzy responses to the bullsiht they're peddling



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,963 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Never had an issue with a screwed in bottle top on a Lidl machine......

    Yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Where there's muck there's brass, particularly when you are carrying 15 ton of it in the back of your work vehicle…

    https://www.tiktok.com/@brooksie..d/video/7356135857037888801



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,081 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Fair play to them I say. At some point re-turn might make the same connection to reality these boys have.

    People are putting these items in recycling, undermining the goal of 90%.

    Therefore I say re-turn find a way to give Panda, AES, and other collectors the deposits back.

    And if you think that's ridiculous remember the alternative is to double the deposit, then triple it until the plebs start using RVMs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I'd be surprised if it was only the one branch that had these new additional instructions stuck up on them. I assume the machines are all the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Re the bottle top thing, I was in a Next Door off-licence the other day and they have printed signs up saying to remove the bottle top. shrugs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Funnily enough, today I was shown a video of a recycling truck from a nameless company parked up by an Aldi RVM, the two lads from it pulling containers out of two massive black bags and stuffing them into the machine. They might be getting that money one way or another...

    Edit: oops I think that video that was taken down might have been it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    The video is a few posts up - double oops, removed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭jj880


    Ive nothing against this. Waste collectors making the best of it and can see it being a regular occurrence (probably a lot more regular in future) for them to get lost revenue back. Could even be a necessity to prevent job losses. However doesn't this inflate the numbers? The Re-Turn spoofers will be on the radio again soon testifying the return % is rising hence public engagement with the scheme is rising.

    Machines getting filled up then needing emptied by retail staff to get them back online. Machines also off limits to the public while this is happening whereas before Re-Turn the waste collectors simply emptied the green / blue bin and off to separate etc. at their own premises. Job done.

    This scheme just doesn't fit with what we have. Crowbarred in by a bunch of gombeen chancers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭Qrt


    I have to say Lidl machines are absolutely brutal; my local Lidl (Whitestown) never seems to have any working machines, and don’t even get me started on the “remove lids” thing…what a load of crap.


    Apart from that I’ve used Dunnes ones and they were fine, no issues.


    FWIW I have a friend in NL, Lidl poses the same issue there. Dodgy experience all round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Same never an issue with bottle caps attached to bottles and going into a Lidl machine=before the DRS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Neither had I. Was at the machine the other day feeding it and it was satisfying hearing the pop as the bottle was crushed and the cap popped. 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Anyone else hate the new lids on the bottles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    absolutely stupid. now we have the cap in the way and annoying you when you drink or you tear it off and end up with 3 bits of plastic instead of the normal 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,926 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Had my first go in SuperValu today. Took me eight minutes for it to accept six bottles and six cans after various pushbacks etc.

    Foreign lad beside me was struggling with his four bottles as well. "It's so much easier at home" he said.

    I asked the guy at the till were the having much trouble with the machines...rolled his eyes "too much fu*kin trouble".



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭hellyeah


    Lidl today wicklow Town 2 machines down this evening. Shed filling up at home. Stinking cans. Have decided from today to buy only glass bottle beer from now on. This whole thing is a complete joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭larchielads




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    This 500ml thing has the logo, RVMs reject it. Re-turn say the Vit-Hit barcode is not in the scheme, so why does it have the logo? Parallel import?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    That's another strange one.

    Were you charged a deposit on it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well at least you're not out of pocket.

    Is that product also sold over the counter ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,505 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Yes, link in post 'the Vit-Hit barcode'. It could be a different barcode or something



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