Annoying Gym Behaviour - Mk2(?)

I’ve just found this thread by accident so apologies if this has been mentioned multiple times before but why the fúck do some ladies feel the need to walk around with half of SFA on and their camel toe eating their leggings.

You're right that I know there's a difference. The point is that none of these people are nonce's walking in off the street to video kids in the pool. Their kids are also in the pool, so they think they can do as please as they've no nefarious intentions, completely oblivious to (or uncaring of) the fact that they're also recording other people's kids. In other words, they don't stop to think about how their actions impact others.

As for blanket statements about "you do have the right", in most places in the Western world you are entitled to record someone in a public place. Whether it's good manners or not is a different story. You are not entitled to record someone without their consent in a private setting. A gym, with controlled access and open to only paying members, is clearly not "public".

As for it being something that us old **** (I'm 37 - based on your username you're hardly a teen who lives their entire life on Snapchat either) need to wise up about and accept that the younger generation lives a bit differently, if you upload a video of someone to YouTube without their consent and they complain about it, it will be deleted. I'd be shocked if other platforms didn't have the exact same policy.

out of interest, can you share where you found that information saying recording someone on private premises is legal?

I could only find links that covered public areas.

On the contrary, gyms allowing this practice without any policies or procedures in place could potentially leave them open to litigation in certain situations.

I'm not sure how not allowing somebody to post videos from your gym is going to negatively impact your profit margins, it's not as if influencers are attracting members to gyms which are for the most part these days overcrowded to begin with.

thanks. I understand this better now.
As it’s public accessible then there is no laws to prevent recording but because it’s private property the owner can have “rules” against it.

Technology routinely outpaces legislation but it never lasts indefinitely.

Framing this as an issue of age is reductive and an over simplification.

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it is and it isn’t.

Last week I was doing side planks and when I swopped sides a patron was doing banded clamshells, it was literally a few feet from my face.

If the roles were reversed and males started wearing speedos to the gym would people be as uncomfortable?

Final thing from me on this point. This is the "Annoying Gym Behaviour" thread. If we're at the point that everything comes down to "it's not illegal so **** off and find a gym that has policies more aligned to your way of thinking", as it appears to for certain posters, I think we're likely to find plenty more to disagree on.

Absolutely. But my point is that there are Christ knows how many things that are annoying but aren't illegal. I don't like being recorded without my consent. Others don't like people leaving plates on a bar.

Social media definitely could do with some changes. But where I differ is I actually don't see people recording themselves in gyms as a bad thing. I just agree that there are more and less considerate ways of doing it. I am not going to ask everyone on the gym floor to grant me their blessing so I can check my back angle on deadlifts. But I will set the camera up to avoid anyone being in the shot. If the back of someone's head end ups being way in the background, I'm probably not going to delete it. If a guy walks in front and is entirely in the shot, I will. So there's nuance.

Ultimately, this is a discussion that centres around the individual's beliefs around digital privacy, and I do believe it's clear that there is a distinct difference in how age groups think about that. Obviously there are exceptions. I have friends with no Instagram account, but they're very rare.

A gym, certainly at least most gyms. Are public places, not private settings. The idea of private property can be misleading.

People should absolutely take care when recording around kids. And even without kids present, there should be a bit of curtesy shown anyone in the background. Those should be a given.

But there’s a big difference between curtesy and being illegal to take photos at the gym. The gym is absolutely a public building. It has nothing to do with whether access is free or paid.

That doesn’t mean anyone has to suck it up and can’t find it annoying, of course they can. But it can be annoying with the need to tack on misinformation.

To be honest, that was exactly who I was thinking about when I wrote about lunatics getting stroppy about other users walking through their shots. That's def. am american thing. Joey normalising calling out that crap.

A gym like any business is private property.

If you're labouring under the assumption that gyms are public spaces that anyone has access to you're very much mistaken.

Even your local shop is private property and you can be refused entry without explanation.

The only misinformation here is what you're putting forward. That phrase is overused to some extent these days, the irony of putting forward demonstrably false information in this context shouldn't be lost on people.

Private property isn't public space by definition.

Very few spaces are public spaces, most of the world around you is private property. Local authority parks are public spaces, footpaths and roads the same, pretty much everything else is private and even buildings like hospitals for example don't allow unfettered access to all.

When you are on or in private property, even private property that allows access to virtually anyone like a shop, you can expect to be subject to terms of use of that space.

Shoplift in your local supermarket and you may well never be allowed back in if you are prosecuted.

The confusion you're referring to above is a confusion only you seem to be experiencing.

None of us are entitled to act however we please in the majority of spaces. As a general rule of thumb, the only place you can do as you like is your own home but even there you're subject to the law.

How this relates to gyms and use of cameras is that the only thing allowing people to use cameras in gyms is a lack of policy being implemented by the gym management. Gyms aren't public spaces, you can't walk in without being a member or registering for a pass, I'm confused as to why to think that is the case.

There is no public assembly in a gym.

You've listed a load of places that have common areas where access can be reasonably expected to be given to anyone.

Take a shopping centre for example, the mall is operated by the management company of behalf of the owner, the shops are operated by the companies who are renting that space from the owner through the management company, you can wander into any shop at your leisure, if there is a gym there you cannot, unless you are a paid member and when you are a paid member there are terms and conditions attached to you accessing that space.

Taking photographs isn't an issue, and certainly isn't the crux of this issue. There is a grey area around recording others then uploading to the Internet. A good number of gyms have policies against this which decimates whatever point you're trying to make here. That is an example of terms of use being enforced in a private space by the operator.

As I pointed out free access is not relevant. You’re clutching on to your incorrect notions. Paid access is hardly unique to gyms.

Many shopping centres have cinemas. A cinema is a clearly a public assembly space. You can't just wander in without a ticket like its pennys. A concert hall, a football stadium, a night club. You can't access airside parts of an airport without a ticket. All of those places have access restrictions to people who have paid. A gym falls under public assembly under the law (building regulations).

Place of assembly includes: theatre, public library, hall or other building of public resort used for social or recreational purposes;

A good number of gyms have policies against this which decimates whatever point you're trying to make here.

That is an example of terms of use being enforced in a private space by the operator.

My point was that its not illegal to take photos in public. How does a gym policy against photos decimate my point? You think the gym owners are able to change the law with their polices? LOL. I mean, if you even though about it for a second, you might realise that if it were illegal, there would be no need for any polices in the first place. Far form decimate it, the policies back up that its not illegal.

Owners and operators can attached terms they like to their contracts. If people breech them, their membership can (and should) be cancelled. That's the terms they agreed to, and they broke the agreement. But breeching the terms of a gym contract, only affects that contract. It does not mean you have broken the law. FYI, sneaking sweets into the cinema is also not illegal.

You basically claiming that taking photos at Croke Park is illegal, because you can't just wander in, you need to buy a ticket, and it has a private owner. Obviously that is nonsense, but here we are having to explain that.

My point was that taking photos in gyms was not illegal because gyms were public places. Pretty simple.

You said that wasn’t true. And that gym having policy against photos “decimated” that point. How could “not illegal” be decimated other than being illegal. You have not been misrepresented.

You’re claims about ownership, access etc. Also nonsense as I demonstrated.

Not being illegal doesn’t men there can’t be policies in place.

Just because you have access to a place doesn't mean you have any entitlement to do as you please while there

Has any one said you can? How would anything think that you could.

The irony of crying about misrepresentation when you’re making these strawman.

I never said anything was illegal. If you want to labor that point have at it, it was you who raised the spectre of legality, not me, you're turning this into a massive issue when it isn't.

Put simply, you don't get to go into any business and do what you like. You're on private property and you either behave within the rules of the establishment or leave.

In relation to gyms and photographs or videos, you shouldn't feel entitled to go into a place where people are exercising and whip your phone out and start recording without consideration for the people around you because you feel it's a public place.

You’re entire point is pivoting. They’re public spaces that are privately owned which meant certain laws did/did not apply. You’re pivoting on that.

Nobody said gyms couldn’t kick people out for taking videos. They can have their own rules. The entire discussion was about legality which you’re now claiming was never your point. It’s BS.

I never mentioned laws or legality.

Not sure who's posts you're reading.