Deposit return scheme (recycling)

There's also the possibility that they will shift their consumption to other products. Little Johnny wants a sweet treat, so now he goes for a mars bar instead of a can of Coke Zero or Pepsi Max. Won't do wonders for the obesity level.

That's quite likely once this settles in. I've only seen overweight people using these machines.

I guess there is nothing stopping a person setting up a manual return depot, as long as their cut is decent, you just simply register as a return point like every other business that has, one would want half the deposit though, for such a venture.

0.125 x 2 million returns a year of the over 500ml = 250,000

0.075 x 2 million returns a year of the under 500ml = 150,000

400k a year business. Zero rejects guaranteed .

Frustration, lack of empathy, why should I care - all rational reasons to take the standpoint given the absolute sh1tshow this scheme is and one of the things many of us called out would happen as a result of this scheme.

If you’re sitting at the gate waiting to board, and buy a bottle, the Mean Green Machine might as well be in Timbuktu. Which would be grand if you were flying to Timbuktu, but there aren’t any direct flights from either terminal.

Literally no-one was thinking of the environment when this scheme was designed and implemented.

Not sure why you are blaming the poster alone for not caring about it.

Fourth time using an RVM, 11 of 12 cans. Site clean, in fact in all my shopping I have never seen anyone using the RVM.

However, to date €7.70 paid in deposits—————-refunded €4.95. Loss of €2.75 over 4 weeks .68 cent. Does not seem much but if this ratio continues, it is €35.00 over a year.

Not only that but people are just gonna stop doing it - only so many times you are going to bother hauling a bag of cans and bottles to the store just to find the machines out of order again and again and again

It's figures like that €35 that bother me.

It's a little at a time that adds up.

I'd be thinking a nice bottle of whiskey or a few bottles of wine at Christmas.

Others might be thinking turkey or whatever else floats your boat.

So far I've had one failure and it's sitting in a box at home until I get around to trying it in a different machine.

Not everyone will bother and nor should they have to.

Used it for the first time today. Was going to use the machine in Dunnes but there was a queue so went to Aldi instead.

29 cans/bottles, some had to be put in a second time but overall none rejected.

Not something I'll do every week but probably let the bottles build up till I've a few euro worth and return them then.

You have to concede the architects of Re-Turn have come up with a blinder of a scheme.

No matter what happens it will be spun as "success" along with a massive slush fund of unclaimed deposits.

The people being lied to, BS'd around and treated like crap from the scheme is where their anger comes from. The suggestion you made about complaining to the company running it is very hard to accomplish when it falls on deaf ears. Myself and a couple others have already contacted re-turn via email weeks ago and have still yet to receive any kind of response. 1 or 2 people here mentioned receiving a fast response but i think it was something PR related i can't fully remember.

The scheme is causing a problem, not working like it's meant to. And causing harm to the enviroment. But really alot of this anger also comes down to people feeling cheated out of money, and having not really anyone to turn to when the machines refuse to accept their containers that they've paid a deposit on. i'm thankful enough to live in the city or near enough to it, but we have to acknowledge alot of the people out their in rural area's and their frustration when their machine's don't work and theirs no other shops around for them to go to for reclaiming their deposits.

Whats being done to support those? and whats being done to support anyone who can't leave home, or disabled, or relys on home deliveries? re-turn have alot to answer to, and i'm not really sure why people are still even defending them when their total disregard is clearly so blatant at this point. if this response was'nt satisfactory to anyone reading i would suggest anyone to read my previous recent response made before this one as it goes into more additional detail and reasons people feel frustrated with the scheme, or something. it's giving people who already recycle at home in their green bin a tax, and promotes people throwing cans out of car windows and leaving cans/bottles lying around in hopes that others miraculously come out of now where and return the recycleable container to an rvm somehow before it gets damaged. magically out of nowhere like. the ceo even briefly mentions this concept as a selling point in one of the interviews.

Can anyone also answer this: why does green initiatives and green things always cost the us, consumer more money? like example paper packaging instead of plastic, very nice, but why must we pay extra and foot the cost for their virtue signalling?

What's exactly is your point? I simply stated that the bulk machines would make it a lot easier and more customer friendly.

I don't get the sarcasm on boards sometimes. It's no wonder this place is a ghost town. Sarky answers to everything.

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that there are higher spec machines out there and that the scheme could and should embrace that.

However, obviously I'm wrong and how dare I bring it up.

That's me told I suppose.

This type of thing is always presented in the manner of other places are perfect and Ireland is sh*te and when pointed out the the example shown from Finland is actually the exception and the standard is the same as we have here you get all snarky and defensive. The fact is a bulk sorting machine would be more expensive take up more space and be prone to more problems than one where singulation is handled by the user rather than the equipment. Singulation is one of the biggest problems in industrial automation. The additional cost would not be worth the 45 seconds it would take to sort a few bottle themselves except possibly in locations where there is a very high volume of use.

There is probably nothing to stop locations looking at machines such as the one you showed though if they wished to. Doesnt fit with the Ireland is terrible at everything narrative though

Its a narrative you've forced because it certainly didn't come from the OP who simply said bulk sorting machines would make it easier.