Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

It's ludicrous legislation, based solely on the subjective whims of those offended.

Legislation should, as much as possible, veer toward objectivity and fact and logic — not personal feelings.

Seeing as you’re adamant that legislation should, as much as possible, veer towards objectivity and fact and logic - not personal feelings, I’m perfectly fine with ignoring your personal feelings, lack of objectivity and ne’er even a hint of anything approaching facts or logic, never mind reason or rational argument.

The legislation is being updated to address discrimination against individuals and groups in Irish society on the basis of data collected by AGS regarding discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes and hate incidents (incidents which are not crimes, but motivated by hatred and prejudice). In 2022, reports to Gardaí of hate crimes rose by 29%:

Source: https://www.garda.ie/en/information-centre/statistics/hate-crime-statistics.html

That’s actual data, as opposed to your feelings that the legislation either isn’t necessary, or uncalled for, or that it should lead to the downfall of Government.

It’s reasonable to conclude from everything that you’ve written, that you’re not even familiar with Article 40 that you imagine anyone’s right to freedom of expression is threatened by the enactment of the proposed legislation. The right to freedom of expression (and many other rights) have always been subject to limitations, and with regard to freedom of expression, the right is curtailed by being subject to public order and morality:

The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality: –

The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#article40

Essentially, you never could just say what you like, regardless of anyone else’s opinions or whether anyone even so much as gave a fiddlers for your opinion, never mind whether or not your opinion was actually offensive, factual, etc. The facts are that the proposed legislation which is intended to replace current legislation, is objective, in that it applies to everyone, to protect everyone from being subjected to other people’s shìtty, antisocial behaviour. You’d imagine the ‘back to basics, law and order’ types would be all over that one given they’re constantly banging on about levels of criminality and all the rest of it.

If you actually wanted to compare an Irish context to the Scottish context for hate crimes, you can do that too, not with silly rhetoric devoid of any facts, substance, reasoning or logical argument though, just the data will do, and indeed allow for anyone to draw their own conclusions about the necessity, value and purpose of the proposed legislation, as opposed to merely being swayed one way or the other by rhetoric that is far, far from constituting a persuasive argument. 20 years worth of evidence allows anyone to see trends in the data:

Source: https://www.copfs.gov.uk/publications/hate-crime-in-scotland-2022-23/html/

I just like the pictures 😒

This says it all.

This post is blatantly not true. There are many people concerned with the under resourcing and over working of Gardai. Plenty of posts on the subject in other threads such as the one on reducing fatal road traffic collisions to name a current one. It's the current government that don't seem to care, not society.

Anyone calling for violence would be dealt with under the current legislation. You well know that, but you choose to ignore it.

Are you really asking that question?

You even said "…an update of the current legislation". So please tell us all, how that needs an update and what is wrong with what we currently have.

This must have been repealed while we weren’t looking!!!

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/enacted/en/print.html

Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994, that has you covered.

So I ask again, what does this new legislation do over the current.

No. It isnt lies. I've seen you saying it's OK to abuse people calling them groomers and paedophiles.

You don't even know what you are talking about. This isn't a "hate speech" law. There is nothing in the bill about hate speech.

It has 2 aspects

1 Updating the 1989 Act in relation to incitement to violence and incitement to hatred.

2 Introducing hate crime into law

There's nothing at all insincere about saying laws need to be updated. That's just your projections.

You clearly havent read the bill at all and dont fully understand the contents of it. If you are going to accuse another user of casuistry it might be an idea to actually research and understand what you are talking about.

No. You don't understand the Bill when you keep on about the bill being about hate speech. The other day you said it was called the Hate Speech Bill. Its not.

Half of the Bill is about updating the 1989 Incitement to Hatred Act so you telling SuviGirl what's needed in the Bill while talking about things that are not in the Bill shows you haven't got a clue what the Bill is actually about.

It's the very same response that followed the defeating of the ridiculous referendums last month - demeaning the population who don't agree with you by patronisingly stating, "you simply don't understand" - it didn't work then and it won't work now.

I have read the bill as it goes and there is a lot to be concerned about.

The simple fact is "gender identity and expression" is now listed as a protected characteristic which is insane - there is no defined metric to this; it is purely subjective and has no business being in a law or bill.