The media unquestioningly accepting the whingeing of teachers.

Shop workers who had legislation on their side regarding mask wearing. They also had social distancing, screens and dealt with adults most of whom had the cognative ability to follow the covid measures of the time.

Edit:They also did look to "skip the queue" as you put it https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/retail-workers-seek-early-access-to-covid-19-vaccine-1.4456723

Teachers-limited to no social distancing, screens/sanitiser availability on ad hoc basis, initially no masks, dealing with children and teenagers with varying ability, littleto no social distancing possible in most classrooms. Particularly difficult for SNAs due to their role and the need for proximity.

Edited to add not disparaging shopworkers at all, they were absolutely working in diffocult conditions, just not a comparable situation to a school

Complain about the teachers, complain about the nurses

At least we are now back to pre-covid moaning. Times are good

No job in the country is allowed to count jobs worked in another country towards pension accrual. It's a basic part of tax legislation.

Yeah but unlike most jobs every teacher was also a student who spent 13 or 14 years in that envoirment before deciding to become a teacher so its not as if all those things will be something new to them.

I know of three teachers who have had their career breaks cancelled while abroad - I'm friends with one, and the other two worked with him. They all just resigned. Their school (where my family attend) now have no subject teacher at all now. They would have been back by now but they are still without a teacher. No Home Ec, no engineering (a particularly stupid move since Dublin Home Ec and Engineering teachers are an incredible rarity), no Chemistry. Parents are livid at the incompetence of the school management involved. Word is also spread that this is how they operate - especially in a small circle like Home Ec or Engineering. They won't get a replacement.

Removing one of the attractive aspects of a job is an utterly bizarre way to improve recruitment and retention.

Lol. Yeah parents shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion on their childs education at all.

Some amount of arrogance in that job.

The parents have every right to engage teachers and schools.

Im a teacher thn can see both sides of the fence, i worked in construction in a trade before crash, then retrained asa teacher for 5 years. Very hard to get permenant jobs though, but i knew I would be taking over the family farm from my father more or less full time from 2011 onwards, so I really only wanted sub work or maybe take a job in a very good school if it landed on my lap.

I definitely wouldnt recommend teaching to anyone without a side hustle. I love it because it is great pay for the likes of me with a second income and if your in a school with few discipline issues its money for jam most days. Now in saying that my longest commute was 1 hr 15 mins which was a bit tough but not overly so. i used leave the house at 7:30 , while my friend a tradesman was already on site starting work at 7:30 in Dublin having left home at 5:30 am. Yeah i have plenty of work to get done each morning before I go and same in evenings but most schools run 4 and half day week now, and your only 4 weeks from a bank holiday weekend or mid term break or 2 week holiday etc.

Now like i say the caveat is i pick and choose my schools and sometimes like the long commute i did, ill take a good reputation school over a local one thats a jungle, and yes they always are near enough easy to predict whats its like as a school from its reputation. On the whole I wouldnt recommend it if you are trying to buy a house etc which im not, very stressful in some schools id imagine. Its a career thats going to become casualised i think over next decade. I wont deny probabaly down to people like myself although i do love the subjects i teach at the back of it all and get on great with 90% of students I have thought.

Did you even read the story?

He could only apply to see if his experience was valid once he got the job in Ireland. He only found out once he got his first pay packet, and there's no way to appeal the decision.

Seems like an archaic set up.

42k is not the starting salary, the years of temp work have already been covered in this thread.

Regarding the overall pay on pg15 It always amazes me how people think 50 or 60k is big money for a profession job and decades of experience.

By the way, those pay increases are coming off the back of a pay and pension cuts during the recession. Public sectors workers are just about back where they should be.

Teachers live on a different planet, I say that having immediate family and friends who are teachers. To the best of my knowledge you have to start all Public sector jobs at the bottom of the scale and work up from there. If they had to spend 1 week in the pi**ing rain on a building site or farm breaking themselves up to make a wage (if you’re lucky) they might appreciate what they have.

Ahahaha

As per the OFFICIAL SOURCE teachers are paid about 13K more than the industrial average, they also work half the time.

So yes it is big money when you factor in the holidays, the job security, the pension, the complete lack of professionalism, the additional payments, the side gigs (untaxed grinds).

Oh and you mention the recession cuts, yet omitted all the many MANY raises they've had since, including another huge one this year.

My stats aren't made up, your lies of omission are.

Yep…exactly

And in reference to the title of the thread, the media unquestioningly accepts the bashing of teachers too when it suits them.

All about that sweet sweet advertising revenue!

My advice would be to go and retrain as a teacher. It's clearly your dream job, based on your posts about how handy and well paid it is.

You're welcome 😊

If they had to spend 1 week in the pi**ing rain on a building site or farm breaking themselves up to make a wage (if you’re lucky) they might appreciate what they have.

Grass can sometimes be greener...I actually left teaching to go farming and run a business....

A local man I work with died recently, found out he did the same

Teachers are right to fight for what they can, otherwise its just a race to the bottom....if they are required to have postgrad qualifications (with the cost and opportunity cost that comes with that) + an ever increasing list of responsibilities with **** all in the way of any real discipline or consequences for continuous misbehaviour and told they are professional why should they be grateful that they are not being "broken up" as you put it?...who in their right mind would put in the effort to do that for **** wages and increased chance of speeding up their physical degradation?

They invested the time and effort to go get a job (sometimes with years of uncertainty and much poorer levels of pay than everyone assumes they are on from the payscales) where they wouldnt get broken up or theres a much lower chance of it (at least in a physical sense) and that society seems to want done

Many of them have worked a lot more than a week at all manner of other jobs by the way...including building, farming...they are people too you know....not aliens that were transported here to earn more wages than labourers with no justification