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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I think it's very important that posters support each other. And it's important, it doesn't matter if it's a mod or another poster, you get support and you can stand up to anyone. In relation to anything that's happening, not in this instance, but nobody has to take any bs on the site, not from anyone.

    I commend yourself for answering queries and your commitment to the thread. But that post did seem off to me(and I know you don't have to or can't read everything on the thread). But I'm entitled to point that out. I just said it was bizarre to me.

    You've shown more than anyone a willingness to engage. And that's to be celebrated.

    I admire Charleigh Tinkling Squadron's recent post too.

    Some people are not for changing. That's testament to what they've posted on this thread and by their absence…





  • I agree re Charleigh Tinkling Squadron and Big Bag O Chips, dedicated moderation their respects, we may not always agree on everything but it can’t be denied they are listening in good faith.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Dan Steely


    While it might seem like a good idea initially to appoint as moderator of a particular forum somebody who has contributed heavily to the forum and who has shown an extensive professional or personal interest in the forum, that reasoning could be flawed. I think it could lead to bias and a control of the narrative, consciously or subconsciously.

    Where a poster shows they have the right stuff to be a moderator appoint them ASAP but to a different forum to their hobby forum. This could free them to be more dispassionate in the forum they are charged with and free to post away as always in their usual forums without any restrictions that being a mod brings.

    Some forums have had the same mods in place for too long. 10+ years? Far too long. I get the impression some long term mods feel the forum they mod is "their" forum.

    Rotate mods between forums. Have a max term, say one or two years, then appoint to a different forum.

    The issues above can lead to modding more of content than behaviour. The site needs more modding of behaviour, less of content modding. Not no content modding, less.





  • can anyone tell me that I’m not going mad and that iPhone iOS is changing about sentences spelled out initially as intended 🤷‍♀️ I just can’t post in tolerant-limited threads where extraordinary-seeming posting is taken as poster’s intention! It is going ever more stupid, and problematic with my sight issues.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    we’re never here to control a narrative for one thing. As a mod all I’m here to do is keep the discussion flowing and within the confines of the charter.
    Like I don’t care about gardening in the slightest. Am I an ideal candidate to mod the gardening fora? (inb4 you’re not ideal to mod a shoebox Charleigh Tinkling Squadron)

    Point being that the best way is to mod the forums and subjects you’re personally interested in because you will do so with care and I don’t think any mod is trying to— or going to get away with trying to moderate opinions to create a certain narrative within the forum(s) they mod. It won’t happen.

    I was happy to take on mod for AH when I was asked because I am a frequent visitor and I’ve no problem spending some time keeping things in order, I’m usually reading the threads anyway so it doesn’t make much extra “work” in the grand scheme of things. I’m a chef so if I was asked I’d happily mod the food forum either but as I said I’d sooner jump down an elevator shaft than take up a position in the soccer forum. I don’t like soccer, wouldn’t have a clue what’s going on and it’d be a disaster.

    Similarly I’m the wrong person to mod a forum such as Personal Issues because my personality is not a good fit for a forum like it. I don’t ever really go in there either for the same reason. It’s a forum that requires a very delicate approach to posters I think is fair to say and someone like Big Bag of Chips is rightly much more suited than I am!

    I’ve no problem to admit where I wouldn’t feel comfortable with moderating and I definitely don’t agree we should be just passed from Billy to Jack every few months to whatever. It would be a disaster.
    Contrary to what some feedback here suggests, I would actually like to some more mods in particular forums. It would solve a lot of the problems surrounding as chips says, muppetry.



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  • I commend the mods’ tolerance here, I’ve been a bit “expressive” to say the least, I’m not a troller by nature, but I have learned later in life to stand up for myself rather than be cowered as I used to be. In fact I was often a shell of my present self. Age brings its benefits, you’re thrown out of one forum, you have your friends, there’s the next forum. You are likely as cute as a fox from life learning a d developed intellect as to how to turn impossible corners. 😉😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Meanwhile, the criminal justice thread is being trolled to bits with new accounts. Oh well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes. Fair enough. But it's not ALWAYS the day after Easter Monday.

    And there's only one new thread.

    And there's a thread there where the OP waited 10 days for a reply. That didn't happen on Easter Monday either.

    Excuses are just that.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭archfi


    A web app is just a wrapper for a website so I don't think resources should be put into that idea.

    I think using Vanilla was a mistake as the very first thing the owners did was rush to customise it to 'look like' but it could never 'act like' the old design. I mean, colours/logo are fine but the extent of trying to recreate old boards on Vanilla has been a mess.

    I'd say this rush to customise it is one of the reasons behind the bad experience on mobile mentioned here - I think DigitalSpy (Vanilla) works fine on mobile (iphone and android) but of course they don't have a gazillion sub-forums which get near zero traction to cater for.

    On moderation, I think a simple policy of nothing illegal, be polite, attack the post not the poster should cover most problems.

    I'm afraid catering for some posters perceptions of offence, most times not even their own feeling of offence, is not the way.

    The idea of not relying on mods to come from forums where they post prolifically (thereby avoiding possibility of bias) is a good one though something that shouldn't be enforced doggedly. My guess is hobby forums etc should be okay for that 'rule' not to be too much enforced. Moving some mods around sounds a good idea but would need to be fleshed out a bit - maybe just the busy forums.

    Just stick to the above three guidelines/rules and the other idea of quick, short and 24/48/72 hour threadbans/forum bans and not entering into PM/DRP boredom about those.

    Finally, definitely weed out and never empower any 'activist' mods.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Have you reported any of their posts? I presume there are many of them if it is in such a state.

    Local Mods may not read this thread but a RP would make them aware.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bartkingcole


    I have a controversial opinion. Vanilla is actually ok. I think the timing and the manner of changeover was probably problematic but is it that bad?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    No, it is not that bad. Considering all the downtime we used to have and the fact that financially Boards had to move I think, it could actually be worse. It should be a bit better as time goes by, but it seems to be a fairly slow process at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Can I ask you two questions? It would be nice if you could, off the cuff, respond to them honestly.

    On the soccer forum:

    1. Do Mods ever try to employ a level of common sense rather than the letter of the law?
    2. In terms of cumulative warnings, do prior warnings from over a year ago, automatically flash up for a mod or does it require an actual trawl back through posts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I recently followed a forum called forumforfarming.com.

    I've no idea what platform they are using but it looks better and functions better than boards currently does, whilst being relatively similar.

    Can someone who would know the difference have a look see what they're using?

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    No quote - again...

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes. It's actually worse than described. Total sh1t.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Honestly, yes. It doesn't scale properly for what boards.ie needs, there's no granularity in permissions, it can't be added to with plugins like vbulletin could, the reply editor is clumsy, no bbcode support, every little update from Vanilla seems to break it etc etc.

    There's only one or two tiny benefits, such as image uploads going onto their cloud storage and not needing an external host, and that they auto strip meta data from uploaded images.

    It was chosen because it was cheap, not for being any good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Well I will need to defer to an expert and I can honestly admit that I am not.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Not sure why you would think I would respond by any other means than honesty, but anyway.

    1. Common sense plays a part but it really does depend on the post - but the Charter really is the guide - other wise posters could quite rightly complain of favouritism etc. Mods do chat in the Mod section re posts, querying a second opinion if necessary. A post might not be seen by a Mod but they could well get the blame for not actioning it - as has often happened in the past. Reporting a post is very important - as I mentioned in an earlier post - it makes it alot easier to action a post - which could mean, deleting, 0 point, 1 point, 2 point or leaving it alone. Just because a post is reported, does not mean it warrants a Warning.
    2. Cumulative Warnings go back 2 years - as per Soccer Charter. Mods can check a posters Warning history with a click of a button on their profile- all Warnings on Boards appear and we check going back 2 years for any Soccer Warnings and apply any necessary Ban as a result. If a Ban is necessary, we PM also as to the nature and length of the Ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    May I ask the moderators and administrators about the cookie consent policy and durability of the opt out/in Cookie. Why is it so short, or to put it another way, why ask users to reset their consent after such a short period. Its highly unlikely the user will have changed their preferences. Its very frustrating to be asked to reset preferences so frequently.

    This is my experience since 0.00 on April 1.

    At midnight (0.00 3 Apr) I was presented with the CM banner. I was previously asked for conent at 0.00 1 Apr.

    I do not know if the opt in cookie has the same duration but I will test it on a different device.

    I posted this on another thread started by another user. Boards have not replied to these posts.

    Post edited by Kaisr Sose on


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I'm fairly certain that's bugged and shouldn't be doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Baseball72


    plus how many are logged in / viewing at any one time…..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    It was nice to be able to view that info - but I think that is only visible at Mike/Odhran level possibly.

    I can tell that there are 6871 members of the Soccer Forum but not how many are active at any one time and I would need to specifically check a posters profile to see when they were last on site/posted.





  • I did request a disability forum, refused. Have notified Elon for what it’s worth.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,818 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Are you talking about a disability forum on Boards? If you are, we do have such a forum for general accessibility, mobility and disability issues that many people face every day…

    https://www.boards.ie/categories/accessibility-mobility-disability

    …unless I am missing something, in which case please accept my sincerest apologies!

    -Shield

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It sure solved that problem with 10k posts! :D

    Is the place is just a soccer forum at this stage? Rebrand it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The don't be a dick one on the CA charter is something that should be fleshed out a bit more.

    There are a handful of posters who call posters far right, racist and nazi etc when they express views.

    That is not only being insulting, but very much being a dick, this is something that we can only assume the mod of the thread thinks is okay to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes I agree - the terms 'don't be a dick' and 'muppetry' both need to be explained fully.

    Take the latter term https://www.yourdictionary.com/muppetry which is generally defined as 'foolish incompetence'

    Why would you censure someone on boards for either being foolish or incompetent? Clearly you could get rid of a large number of users and mods if that was applied to the word!

    Both these terms are surely quite subjective and therein lies a significant issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    for you this works. If boards however wants new or younger users it will not succeed without an app.



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  • would an app likely allow you to keep several threads open at the same time? I’m trying to understand how much more functional it would be? Or are young people allegedly incapable of using browsers?



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