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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Have you reported any of their posts? I presume there are many of them if it is in such a state.

    Local Mods may not read this thread but a RP would make them aware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    I have a controversial opinion. Vanilla is actually ok. I think the timing and the manner of changeover was probably problematic but is it that bad?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    No, it is not that bad. Considering all the downtime we used to have and the fact that financially Boards had to move I think, it could actually be worse. It should be a bit better as time goes by, but it seems to be a fairly slow process at times.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can I ask you two questions? It would be nice if you could, off the cuff, respond to them honestly.

    On the soccer forum:

    1. Do Mods ever try to employ a level of common sense rather than the letter of the law?
    2. In terms of cumulative warnings, do prior warnings from over a year ago, automatically flash up for a mod or does it require an actual trawl back through posts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I recently followed a forum called forumforfarming.com.

    I've no idea what platform they are using but it looks better and functions better than boards currently does, whilst being relatively similar.

    Can someone who would know the difference have a look see what they're using?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Packrat


    No quote - again...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes. It's actually worse than described. Total sh1t.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Honestly, yes. It doesn't scale properly for what boards.ie needs, there's no granularity in permissions, it can't be added to with plugins like vbulletin could, the reply editor is clumsy, no bbcode support, every little update from Vanilla seems to break it etc etc.

    There's only one or two tiny benefits, such as image uploads going onto their cloud storage and not needing an external host, and that they auto strip meta data from uploaded images.

    It was chosen because it was cheap, not for being any good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Well I will need to defer to an expert and I can honestly admit that I am not.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Not sure why you would think I would respond by any other means than honesty, but anyway.

    1. Common sense plays a part but it really does depend on the post - but the Charter really is the guide - other wise posters could quite rightly complain of favouritism etc. Mods do chat in the Mod section re posts, querying a second opinion if necessary. A post might not be seen by a Mod but they could well get the blame for not actioning it - as has often happened in the past. Reporting a post is very important - as I mentioned in an earlier post - it makes it alot easier to action a post - which could mean, deleting, 0 point, 1 point, 2 point or leaving it alone. Just because a post is reported, does not mean it warrants a Warning.
    2. Cumulative Warnings go back 2 years - as per Soccer Charter. Mods can check a posters Warning history with a click of a button on their profile- all Warnings on Boards appear and we check going back 2 years for any Soccer Warnings and apply any necessary Ban as a result. If a Ban is necessary, we PM also as to the nature and length of the Ban.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    May I ask the moderators and administrators about the cookie consent policy and durability of the opt out/in Cookie. Why is it so short, or to put it another way, why ask users to reset their consent after such a short period. Its highly unlikely the user will have changed their preferences. Its very frustrating to be asked to reset preferences so frequently.

    This is my experience since 0.00 on April 1.

    At midnight (0.00 3 Apr) I was presented with the CM banner. I was previously asked for conent at 0.00 1 Apr.

    I do not know if the opt in cookie has the same duration but I will test it on a different device.

    I posted this on another thread started by another user. Boards have not replied to these posts.

    Post edited by Kaisr Sose on


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,915 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I'm fairly certain that's bugged and shouldn't be doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 302 ✭✭Baseball72


    plus how many are logged in / viewing at any one time…..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    It was nice to be able to view that info - but I think that is only visible at Mike/Odhran level possibly.

    I can tell that there are 6871 members of the Soccer Forum but not how many are active at any one time and I would need to specifically check a posters profile to see when they were last on site/posted.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I did request a disability forum, refused. Have notified Elon for what it’s worth.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,893 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Are you talking about a disability forum on Boards? If you are, we do have such a forum for general accessibility, mobility and disability issues that many people face every day…

    https://www.boards.ie/categories/accessibility-mobility-disability

    …unless I am missing something, in which case please accept my sincerest apologies!

    -Shield

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It sure solved that problem with 10k posts! :D

    Is the place is just a soccer forum at this stage? Rebrand it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The don't be a dick one on the CA charter is something that should be fleshed out a bit more.

    There are a handful of posters who call posters far right, racist and nazi etc when they express views.

    That is not only being insulting, but very much being a dick, this is something that we can only assume the mod of the thread thinks is okay to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes I agree - the terms 'don't be a dick' and 'muppetry' both need to be explained fully.

    Take the latter term https://www.yourdictionary.com/muppetry which is generally defined as 'foolish incompetence'

    Why would you censure someone on boards for either being foolish or incompetent? Clearly you could get rid of a large number of users and mods if that was applied to the word!

    Both these terms are surely quite subjective and therein lies a significant issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    for you this works. If boards however wants new or younger users it will not succeed without an app.



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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    would an app likely allow you to keep several threads open at the same time? I’m trying to understand how much more functional it would be? Or are young people allegedly incapable of using browsers?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,857 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the point is the chrome mobile version (on android at least) is absolutely functional as an app.

    if "younger" members need to tap an a app icon to use something, they can just simply create a short cut

    for example:

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    boards "app" bottom right

    brings you straight to your home screen



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I would take BBoc to mean “muppetry” as a simple way to describe any kind of behaviour that contravenes a forums charter or the overall site rules and not necessarily a baseline level of behaviour expected from all posters at all times.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    unfortunately it is so well hidden, on mobile site, that it’s pretty dead. It would be better mounted in a more visible location. I find myself googling outside of the site to find corners of Boards. I think a lot of people who use mobile only find the directory structure quite poor, but that is more of a development issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well then, why not just say that? A breach of charter rules.

    I suspect that some would say they know when someone is 'being a dick' or engaged in 'muppetry' when you see it.

    But of course that is very unsatisfactory as clearly that could vary widely from person to person and also their interests, tolerance levels, how many pints or how much sleep they had last night etc etc

    You see the suspicion has to be that using a test like 'being a dick' or engaged in 'muppetry' to censure a poster is just a handy lazy way when that poster hasn't actually broken any site or charter rules, but a moderator just wants rid of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭irishrepeat2


    wonder could the site use a splash of colour like the student room forum, this forum looks a bit dated,


    also it should probably setup discussions maybe comps to encourage people to engage



  • Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    These are interesting suggestions but unfortunately they are unworkable.

    Modding isn't a job, it's just people doing it in their spare time as a volunteer.

    As an example, why would someone who is interested in soccer and posts in the Soccer forum have any interest in modding GAA? If they don't care enough to post about GAA, they aren't going to care enough to mod it. Since it's a voluntary thing a huge prerequisite is the person at least having an interest in the subject matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    This is sounding a bit like rules lawyering. Basically saying that you want a strict set of terms/phrases that if someone breaches them then they should be banned.

    There was an excellent thread on the site in the days of Vbulletin where users were giving out and demanding that certain phrases were banned. The thing was that the posters who had used that phrase (it was a feedback thread about two women who had travelled to someplace during covid travel lockdowns for some cosmetic and were giving out about having to quarantine in a hotel upon their return) were all sanctioned and forum banned etc, but the person who opened the thread DEMANDED that they were made aware of the sanctions applied, and DEMANDED updates etc on any subsequent sanctions. There was a second person in that thread who repeated the phrase during that thread about 5 times, DEMANDINGit was added to a banned list thus ensuring that anyone who hadn't seen it was made aware of it.

    Eventually Shield came back with an incredibly eloquent, well reasoned and thoughtful response, saying why those demands would not be met. Which resulted in the rage quit of one poster.

    Having a strict set of terms/phrases that are on a ban list just means that low level trolls will work out a way around them and when they are finally warned/sanctioned etc they go running home to mammy crying out about the big bad admins/mods/cmods, because they didn't break the rules.

    IF you don't understand what acting the dick, or being a muppet is then that is entirely on you. Everyone knows what tacting the dick and being a muppet means. Pretending you don't is just insulting to everyones intelligence



  • Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It would be completely pointless to allow people to evade thread bans by just creating a new thread on the same topic. In such a scenario you may as well never ban anyone from a thread.

    You keep mentioning being banned for disagreeing. Nobody gets thread banned for simply disagreeing. People get thread banned for bringing threads off topic, personally abusing people, trolling etc.

    There are plenty of posters on this site who are able to firmly disagree with people, even firmly disagree with the majority on a thread, and not end up getting themselves thread banned or forum banned. But when the same poster shows time and again that they don't know how to engage properly on a topic the only reasonable thing to do is remove them from it, for the sake of everyone else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    if you have kids ask them if they would ever think to do this. I absolutely guarantee you they will have no idea you can do this nor would ever think to do this. All the app type things they are used to doing will not work this way.

    It works for you but if boards want to stay relevant it needs an app otherwise it's a dead platform.



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